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Eric Ladd
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I'm right there with you Bill. Knowing about the "could have been" stuff is rough.
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My history with the West Coast Avengers was that I LOVED the Stern/Hall limited series, was okay with the regular series when it started missing an occasional issue or two, LOVED when JB took over then dropped when he left. The main reason was that the quality dropped SO much, it wasn't worth reading anymore.
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I took the hint, and left the book. Which is really too bad, because -- and you will forgive my towering immodesty -- if I had been left alone, I would have delivered a story arc that I'm pretty sure would STILL be being talked about, right up there with Dark Phoenix or my Galactus storyline in FF.

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Even as an aborted storyline, those issues continue to be mined by current day Marvel. Avengers Disassembled and House of M excavated that arc, and even the current Avengers vs X-Men can be seen as a convergence of the Dark Phoenix and Dark Wanda storylines.
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Not a big fan of this run, but I love the individual portrait splash pages JB did for the start of each issue.

Talk about a neat gimmick!
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I liked JB's WCA, including the "tension" between Iron Man and the rest of
the team and the changes he made to the Vision.


Shades of FF where you had the Doom War arc planned, which also sounded
awesome.

A while after I read JB's mention of the "Doom War" story arc that he had
planned, a Marvel mini-series of the same name appeared on comic book
store shelves.


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A while after I read JB's mention of the "Doom War" story arc that he
had planned, a Marvel mini-series of the same name appeared on
comic book store shelves.

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To be fair, with titles of books and storylines like Secret Wars, Armor
Wars, Civil War, Secret War, Kree/Skrull War, World War Hulk, and so
on, Doom War is not much of a stretch. For some reason, when I heard
the title, I had thought it had already been used during Simonson's run
on FF when he was wrapping up the Doom vs Kristoff storyline.
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Not a big fan of this run, but I love the individual portrait splash pages JB did for the start of each issue.
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He did? I remember the awesome one of Iron Man's face with everyone else reflected in it, and a disassembled Vision but the memory's hazy on others.
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To be fair, with titles of books and storylines like Secret Wars, Armor
Wars, Civil War, Secret War, Kree/Skrull War, World War Hulk, and so
on, Doom War is not much of a stretch.

That's why I didn't say, "Someone from Marvel must have visited the JBF."

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Not a big fan of this run, but I love the individual portrait splash pages JB did for the start of each issue.

Talk about a neat gimmick!

The EiC didn't "get it" and passed along orders for me to stop the full face splash pages -- so the next issue I drew I opened with a full Moon.

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Not a big fan of this run, but I love the individual portrait splash pages JB did for the start of each issue.

Peter: He did? I remember the awesome one of Iron Man's face with everyone else reflected in it, and a disassembled Vision but the memory's hazy on others.

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Here's what I could find online....




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JB: The EiC didn't "get it" and passed along orders for me to stop the full face splash pages -- so the next issue I drew I opened with a full Moon.

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It sounds like they really gave you hell on that title-
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It sounds like they really gave you hell on that title-

Howard did the best he could to run interference, but I came away from the experience convince the Avengers were not characters that any writer could expect the be able to handle without meddling from On High. Basically, the two guys at the top seemed to want the creative team to be just waldos they could manipulate from off-stage. (Hence, for example, the insertion of and demand for prominence for Quasar, in the main title.)

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The EiC didn't "get it"
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Too sophisticated, huh? Like when Bergman had the faces of the audience
reacting to the stage in The Magic Flute...
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Here's what I could find online....
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Thanx, Nathan!
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(Hence, for example, the insertion of and demand for prominence for Quasar, in the main title.)

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I guess it's a sign of your professionalism, JB, that I just assumed at the time that you wanted Quasar on the team. You managed to make him fit, from what I recall. Although I need to go back and reread those someday. My memory is a bit foggy on that era of Avengers. But I recall enjoying Gruenwald's Quasar title and being glad to see him as an Avenger.

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I enjoyed JB's AWC run, but sadly, I completely missed his writing on
the main title. I left THE AVENGERS at about 270 and didn't come
back until Busiek and Perez came on board at vol. 3.
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JB: Hence, for example, the insertion of and demand for prominence for Quasar, in the main title.

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First rule of comics: Quasar Sells

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Wish we could have read the rest of the story...




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BTW We never finished the AWC Reading Club! That's why I couldn't find the rest of the splash pages.

Anyone wanna finish that? :)
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First rule of comics: Quasar Sells

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Duh! Consider whom he was modeled upon...!
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Love the splash of Hawkeye. 
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Love the splash of Hawkeye. 


Yeah that's a great splash but I love the She-Hulk and Cap having a moment of rest.
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Hawkeye: The new cologne from Marvel Paris.

"Everything's better with a splash of Hawkeye."
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I like the She-Hulk/Cap splash best because of the inks!

As I said, the writing JB did during this run is some of my favorite stuff he's done... but there are some weak inks in most of those issues imho. 
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That Kang cover is so damn cool... I guess we would have gotten to go back in time in that AWC issue and experience that classic Avengers adventure from a different point-of-view?


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