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Ronald Joseph
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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/21/new-dc-gay-character- is-an-iconic-male/

I'm sure the "rainbow S" was done for the article as an eye grabber...but still...

This would be the comic book version of wrestling's Hulk Hogan "turning bad" back in the day; very "Nooo, not him!"


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Just to clarify: If any character should exemplify childhood innocence, it's Captain Marvel. Introducing any romantic angle, straight or gay, just sets up too many icky scenarios. Doe anyone really want to see a story where Captain Marvel is looking adoringly at Billy Batson's age-appropriate paramour? Or, even worse, having Captain Marvel dating someone of his apparent visual age? Ugh!
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Doe anyone really want to see a story where Captain Marvel is looking adoringly at Billy Batson's age-appropriate paramour? Or, even worse, having Captain Marvel dating someone of his apparent visual age? Ugh!

The first would be icky, to be sure. The degree of ick in the second depends on how married you are to various retcons. As originally portrayed, Cap was NOT "Billy grown up". He was a separate individual.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: I hate thinking about superheroes/villains sex lives. I'd rather just read about the action and drama.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: I hate thinking about
superheroes/villains sex lives. I'd rather just read about the action and
drama.

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Bill, I hope somebody at DC figures that out. I even prefer the action
before the drama. The sad part about the last nine months pf DC is, if
you write GOOD, FUN stories, you don't have to do stunt advertising.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: I hate thinking about superheroes/villains sex lives.

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Do you feel that romantic interests like Lois Lane have no place in a Superman comic?
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In light of the image posted a page back, I think there's definitely a difference between two characters flirting and/or dating and seeing Catwoman doing the nasty with Batman.
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Ah, I hadn't clicked back to that page and didn't know that was what was being referred to. Yes, I agree that is TMI.
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Dear DC,

I don't need my superhero comics to be soft-core porn. 

Much thanks. 
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"As originally portrayed, Cap was NOT "Billy grown-up". He was a separate individual.
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True, and for as much as I like Captain Marvel (which, frankly isn't very much), that's the version I prefer. However, the "Captain Marvel who shares a mind with Billy Batson" version has been the most prominent one in the last 25 years or so. Also, considering the kinds of stories we've seen since the dawning of the new century, I would have a hard time believing that today's writers wouldn't go out of their way to make any romances with Cap as perverse as possible. Just look some of the stuff they've done to Mary Marvel over the last ten years.

I stand by my notion that it's all icky.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: I hate thinking about superheroes/villains sex lives.

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Do you feel that romantic interests like Lois Lane have no place in a Superman comic?

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Those are not the same thing.  I can accept that Reed and Sue are married with kids without need of seeing them consumate their vows or conceive on panel.  Even fictional people deserve their privacy.



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Sometimes the attitude toward sex that we find in modern comics reminds me of one of Shooter's more bizarre declarations. He did not like it when I would occasionally use the bottom panel border as the floor -- "objectifying the panel border" he called it -- and declared that "if you don't show the floor, readers won't know there's a floor there!"

I, of course, argued that floors are something we can pretty much take for granted. I asked if he felt that from now on all scenes should take place in front of mirrors, since if readers cannot see the BACKS of the characters, they won't know they have backs! And, somewhat less sarcastically, I said if there WASN'T a floor, that was definitely something I would show.

Shooter's Whim of Iron was in full vigor tho, so this became a RULE, and I started drawing a thick black edge across the bottom of panels whenever I wanted to do my border-as-floor shot. This also got some discussion going around the office, as to what ELSE we needed to show, lest readers not know it was there. Did we need to make sure the characters were shown eating, or readers would assume they were starving to death? And if they eat, did we need to show them using the bathroom? And how explicit did that need to be? Don't want the reader thinking it was a onezie when it was a twozie!

Anyway. . .   not, it seems, sex has entered this realm. Readers must be SHOWN that the characters have sex, or it will be assumed that none of them have, ever. (The stork brings babies in the DC and Marvel universes!)

Speaking of babies -- another reason to be distressed about the Batman/Catwoman sex scene. Have you noticed how so many comicbook characters seem to know nothing at all about safe sex? If sex is so much as implied, pregnancy follows hard upon't.

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I really don't think the reader should be taken there.  Once you open that door, it can get very bizarre.  Reed Richards?  Hank Pym--"What are you in the mood for tonight Janet?  Goliath or Yellowjacket?"  I don't want to be pointed in that direction.
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Hank Pym--"What are you in the mood for tonight Janet? Goliath or Yellowjacket?"

You know, they DID that.

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No, I didn't.  It doesn't surprise me.  What does Stan think about these stories?

 

I guess they could do an arc where someone steals the Pym Particles and Janet is the one who goes insane.

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Posted: 22 May 2012 at 9:04am | IP Logged | 16  

Neil, here's the scene...

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But hey, it's what makes comics "mature" now!

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That Hank/Jan sex scene was written by Geoff Johns, who is now one of the head honchos at DC.
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That Hank/Jan sex scene was written by Geoff Johns, who is now one of the head honchos at DC.

It's my understanding Johns has disowned that scene, claiming it was actually the work of then-head honcho at Marvel, Bill Jemas.

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So wrong on so many levels. Every time I see something like this it only makes my decision to stop getting lots of comics a good one. This scene is right up there with one that shows a hero sitting instead of standing when they take a piss. We don't need to see what our heroes do in the bedroom.
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That Janet Van Dyne/Hank Pym scene is so wrong on so many levels. How did anyone let it happen? When did anyone think Hank Pym and Jan Van Dyne were characters that represented a mature audience only? 
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You know, they DID that.

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What's sad is something I made up at the spur of the moment, that I was using as hyperbole, had in fact seen print and was supposed to be profound.  The creative juices were really flowing when they came up with that scene.

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How did anyone let it happen?

If the scene was indeed the work of Bill Jemas, there would be no question of "let". This is, after all, the guy who decided HE was the one who should write Wolverine's origin.

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Bill Jemas was also the "brains" behind "Marville":

-- And who said this about the then-new "Elektra" series, part of his "Bad Girls For Fanboys" initiative...

Bill Jemas: "...We have quite a few male readers who live in the basement of their parents' house in Queens. For them, an evening with Elektra is as good as it gets."

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 *just saw a thread with my question answered



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