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Fabrice Renault
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Posted: 30 May 2012 at 4:44am | IP Logged | 1  

Just back from watching the movie.
Lots of stuff going on in the movie.

It definitely needs several viewings. I watched it in 3D which was very good.

You'll get to "learn" more about the Space Jockeys called here The Engineers.

I think Greg will enjoy it.

As for the Alien connection... well...  (kind of spoilish) the Engineers are the only link, and you somehow discover how Aliens were made.

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But did YOU enjoy it, Fabrice?
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Incidentally -- here's Carrie "Newt" Henn as she looks today. . .
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Woh! Too many years! My mind's eye has frozen her as a child over the decades that have passed.
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Greg,

I DID enjoy it, and I will watch it again and again, like I did for Alien, Aliens and parts of Alien 4. There are however several aspects which left me with a strange impression. I think that Alien fans will definitely like it. 
I don't want to go into spoiler territory yet. So here is what I want to say in inviso-text (because it could be spoilerish) :

The story is straighforward, just like Alien. Many similarities, yet completely different atmosphere throughout the movie. I feel they wanted to pack a lot in the movie, and some things are like... hanging. However, some things are gonna lead to endless discussions, for sure. What I personnally call the "Space Jockey Universe" is a beauty. 


There are no scene after the credits, but a somewhat humourus Weyland announcement. 
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Thanks for the spoiler-free opinion!

As has been noted before, the apparent plan is to use this as the launching point for a different franchise, albeit one still connected to ALIEN.

At the very least, I've no doubt it LOOKS great. Ridley Scott has an amazing eye.

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Away we go...

http://www.slashfilm.com/early-buzz-ridley-scotts-prometheus /

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By the way, a word of advice :

Maybe not the best movie to go with your wife/girlfriend. She might hate you afterwards.


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82% on Rotten Tomatoes.

One of the things I am beginning to notice in viewer comments about this movie is a recurrence of the word "awesome". To be honest, that is a word I have come to seriously distrust. Increasingly, when I see it or hear it, I am put on my guard. It seems to be the default description of something that is mind-blowing, visually, but ultimately empty.

I wonder just how "awesome" PROMETHEUS is. . . ?

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By the way, a word of advice :

Maybe not the best movie to go with your wife/girlfriend. She might hate you afterwards.
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Is this because it's a long sci-fi movie, or underlying mysogyny in the film? If it's just because it's a sci-fi movie I'm in the clear, as my lady likes some nerdy stuff, too.
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Tony,

Nope.
(spoiler free answer)
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I've been checking into some spoiler-free reviews that are more in-depth than people just calling it "awesome".

The general consensus so far seems to be: great visuals, solid performances, thought-provoking ideas, and that this is the first real mainstream sci-fi movie (that's not just an action movie with sci-fi trappings) to come out of Hollywood in some time.

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Greg,

I agree with the general consensus. I have some reserves which I will develop once other members will have seen the movie. In fact, those reserves are the same I have for Alien, which I appreciated more and more with each new viewing, therefore that might be a positive indication towards the quality of Prometheus. (not sure if my english is understandable)
Let me just add to this part : thought-provoking ideas, that those might offense quite a lot of people.

I believe you'll be first in line on opening day. No ?
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Oui!
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Since there's already so much discussion about PROMETHEUS in this thread, I'm adding that information to the subject heading.  Doing it now because the film opens internationally a week earlier than the States.
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In that spoiler free review link Greg supplied above, I find it interesting that the most negative reviews come from the States; Variety and the Hollywood Reporter.  It seems as if international reviews are near unanimous in their praise while the two American reviews are decidedly less enthusiastic.  

As for me, I'm really looking forward to this movie.  We've got a gathering of JBF members planning to see it opening weekend followed by what is sure to be a fantastic discussion.  Should be a ton of fun!
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I haven't seen the footage, but apparently on the Red Carpet of the London Premiere Scott said that there are going to be 3 "Prometheus" movies to bridge the prequels to ALIEN. I have not seen PROMETHEUS yet, so I'm not sure what to make of that. I guess if the "trilogy" is thought out and is a really good story I will be thrilled, but I hope this doesn't turn into a total fiasco.
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Ahhh, now I understand some clues.
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Maybe not the best movie to go with your wife/girlfriend. She might hate you afterwards.

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My wife wants to see it more than I do.  Other than HUNGER GAMES, I've never seen her this excited to see a movie since we met. How serious are you here?

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The reason Alien works so well is that it works as a straightforward sci-fi survival horror story but also works as a clever metaphor for our (particularly conservative males) unease regarding sex and the reproductive system. (The obvious impregnation and "rape" of a male hits home even if you don't get it at first)

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Uh, WHAT???

Dan O'Bannon's comments on the subject:

"One thing that people are all disturbed about is sex... I said 'That's how I'm going to attack the audience; I'm going to attack them sexually. And I'm not going to go after the women in the audience, I'm going to attack the men. I am going to put in every image I can think of to make the men in the audience cross their legs. Homosexual oral rape, birth. The thing lays its eggs down your throat, the whole number.'"


http://www.cracked.com/article_18932_alien-film-franchise-ba sed-entirely-rape.html


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In that spoiler free review link Greg supplied above, I find it interesting that the most negative reviews come from the States; Variety and the Hollywood Reporter. It seems as if international reviews are near unanimous in their praise while the two American reviews are decidedly less enthusiastic.

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The movie probably palys like an issue of METAL HURLANT!

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"One thing that people are all disturbed about is sex... I said 'That's how I'm going to attack the audience; I'm going to attack them sexually. And I'm not going to go after the women in the audience, I'm going to attack the men. I am going to put in every image I can think of to make the men in the audience cross their legs. Homosexual oral rape, birth. The thing lays its eggs down your throat, the whole number.'"

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This reminds me of Hitchcock realizing after the fact that PSYCHO was a black comedy.

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I see it as someone turning Geiger's artistic themes into prose. I'd bet that that was what O'Bannon was getting at. Regardless of the intent, what makes the alien so powerful for me is how unique it was and how it seemed like something that could actually exist. I can't think of a more effective or brilliant alien concept...at least for ones intended to provoke fear.

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One more week! Looking forward it. 
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…what makes the alien so powerful for me is how unique it was and how it seemed like something that could actually exist…

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Sorry to rain on that particular parade, but the moment an "alien" is a human being in a rubber suit -- no matter how elaborate or well made that suit might be -- the odds that such a creature could "actually exist" shrink to around zero.

The forms aliens take in movies, unless CGI is heavily employed (not an option for the first ALIEN), are restricted by what I have long called "Central Casting Syndrome". I wrote an essay about this for the STARLORD magazine Chris and I did back in the early Jurassic. Mostly, aliens have to be played by people, and people are the result of a long chain of evolutionary accidents here on Earth. This particular form -- trunk, head, arms, legs -- is MOST unlikely to be found anywhere else. And, indeed, if the first aliens we encounter have a humanoid form, I will have to seriously reconsider my position on "intelligent design".

(And before someone points out that the Alien was most likely an engineered creature, note that the "space jockey" also has the extremely unlikely humanoid configuration.)

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One more week! Looking forward it.

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Last night I was chatting with my bud, Gary Cody, and he asked if I was "looking forward to PROMETHEUS." When I said no, he groaned. Gary is used to me complaining about how movies mess up superheroes, so he automatically assumed this was more of same. "What's wrong with THIS ONE?" he asked.

"I just don't CARE," I said. And, sadly, that's what it comes down to. Based on the trailers, I am not seeing anything in this movie that entices me toward a theater. No, not even Charlize Theron in a skin-tight spacesuit. The movie reads as one giant retcon, including what appears to be a scene where humans from Earth cause the crash of the space-jockey's ship. Nothing about what I have seen WORKS for me as a prequel -- including the fact that ALIEN is a movie I don't see as NEEDING a prequel!

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