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Shawn Kane
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I thought at the time that maybe she was "teasing" him like a femme fatale would but I never felt that it went overtly sexual.
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Joel Tesch
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"teasing" causes pain like that?
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Matt Hawes
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I wonder... if that scene had a male villain in place of Wanda, would people have still thought something sexual went on in that scene? Edited to note: Obviously, with different dialogue. I just mean the way the torture was portrayed.
Edited by Matt Hawes on 15 June 2012 at 9:08am
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Joel Tesch
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No. But then I don't think there would have been nearly the sexual hints with Wanda either if the dialogue had been different. However, the art with the dialogue present makes it pretty easy to connect the dots.
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Shawn Kane
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"teasing" causes pain like that? Not to overly graphic, I'm pretty sure that at some point in my life I've made that face when I've had a girl rub all over me and be unable to do anything about it. I mean we're talking about our interpretation when we first read the story and I first read it when I was 15.
Edited by Shawn Kane on 15 June 2012 at 2:23pm
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Michael Sommerville
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I have to admit I must have been extremely naive when I read that scene when it came out. All I got from it was Simon was in emotional distress. I didn't see anything overtly sexual.
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Eric Smearman
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I was in my twenties when I first read it and I still didn't read anything
overtly sexual into it. Not at first, anyway. It definitely occurred to me
later and even then I thought it was manual, not oral.
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Joel Tesch
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Eric, yeah, manual not oral for me too. In fact, I still think that when I read it, given the dialogue + art. Shawn: so you're saying you thought she gave Simon the world's worst case ever of "blue balls" ?! :-) Now THAT is an interpretation I never would have considered!
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Shawn Kane
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I can totally read the scene as the Scarlet Witch giving Wonder Man a sensual, teasing rub to whatever areas (not necessarily his genital area, could be his leg, stomach...) and he, knowing his feelings for her and the fact that she is not herself, feels the anguish of guilt, wanting something like this to happen but not in the situation that it's presented itself in. He loves her, he respects her, and it's painful for him to see her do this. That's how my first impression of it was then and even with the stories and other theories since then, that's what I'm sticking with.
Edited by Shawn Kane on 15 June 2012 at 5:45pm
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Dave Braun
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"Now THAT is an interpretation I never would have considered!""That's how my first impression of it was then and even with the stories and other theories since then, that's what I'm sticking with."
-------- Interpretation and impression being the key words. It's one thing to give your impression or interpretation it's quite another to assume that your interpretation is what the artist wanted you to think.
It certainly would be within her power to hurt and/or pleasure him in many ways..maybe both at the same time. But remember the art wasn't changed because it was suggestive, but rather because someone decided it specifically suggested a specific act of oral sex. And THAT is an individual interpretation by someone who saw something that was not intended nor suggested by the artist.
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I had no idea then what was going on, and I still don't...
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Shawn: so you're saying you thought she gave Simon the world's worst case ever of "blue balls" ?! :-) Now THAT is an interpretation I never would have considered! I was 15 at the time that the issue came out and I'm sure that I had a few cases myself up to that point. It made sense to me. But honestly, I saw the anguish on Simon's face relating more to his feelings for Wanda in a "I know you're not in control of yourself" manner. She's doing something to him that he knows she wouldn't do in normal circumstance and it hurts him.
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Garry Porter II
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Power of suggestion is powerful indeed!
A similar example of this was when JB drew of an issue of Fantastic Four where Dr. Doom, in an attempt to test some cosmic energy, threw his lad assistant in a glass chamber. The cosmic energy that was being tested killed the lab assistant pretty quickly by eradicating him atom by atom.
The art was beautiful. nice panels. But, the same Comic Book Legends page showed this scene with some people thinking during the eradication process, JB inserted a penis in there
Of course it was nothing of the sort. Power of suggestion strikes again.
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so how did this make it past the censures? ;)
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Edited by Jeffery Tolbird on 15 June 2012 at 9:08pm
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