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Matt Hawes
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We discuss a lot of things that are wrong with the industry these days, here, on this board. From the publishers, to the creators, the distributors, and retailers, there is a lot that needs to -- and should be -- done to ensure the business will prosper and grow. Unfortunately, I see too many things that show that the people in charge really don't have a clue.

Case in point: Rob Liefeld has been going off the deep end, it seems, on his Twitter attacking a number of industry people viciously. Somewhere amid his bile he may have a point, but he is cussing and wailing away like a punk kid in a schoolyard brawl. Now, Liefeld has never been the most professional guy, but you have Marvel's Senior Vice-President of Publishing, Tom Brevoort, allowing Liefeld's antics to goad him into lashing back, and throwing around implied threats.

THIS is "professionalism"???

Someone in his position shouldn't be letting himself be pulled into a public pissing contest.

Sad... really sad.

Here's the scoop:

Rob Liefeld unleashed.








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Posted: 01 September 2012 at 10:06pm | IP Logged | 2  

This is just a reminder that the comic book industry has more turds running the show than I imagine anyone would care to count. 
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I read this junk last week.  Pathetic, putrid behavior, from all involved.

 

 

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Tempest meet teapot.
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Well, it's partly a sad indicator of the sort of personalities working in the biz currently (on the one hand, Liefeld's known for his ego, and not being one to shy away from controversy - to put it mildly. On the other, why on earth did anyone else have to wade in - and publicly, too? Let him rant on, and don't stoop to his level - it just looks unprofessional) - but it's also symptomatic of the general 'public ego massaging' and 'airing of dirty laundry' that Twitter seems to facilitiate.

Anyone remember Damon Lindelof's public jab at January Jones, in much the same way? Say what you like about her acting skills on your own time (or Lindelof's writing...), but on the internet soapbox that is Twitter? You're not just being indiscreet - you're inviting other people to 'listen'. It's not even like Facebook or a forum/messageboard post, which is technically 'public' - when one 'tweets', they are doing the internet equivalent of yelling things in a public area using a loudspeaker.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/x-men-first-class-lost s-195590


But that said, knowing that to be true, it goes back to my first point - professionals in the comicbook biz and other highly-public professions should know better, and try to maintain a professional image, rather than 'exposing themselves' through idiotically-lax use of social media. C'mon - it's not exactly difficult to act with a bit of dignity, is it?

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It seems to me as if this electronic generation now grows older, but they never "grow up".
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I'm kinda hoping that Liefeld starts tweeting that he is the Warlock of comics, that he has unkillable Tiger Blood, and that he is Winning.
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That`s the big mistake people make on Twitter,Facebook,Forums etc,they respond to narcississtic attention seekers which feeds their attention craving,often(not always) the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them dig themselves in deeper all by themselves without tarnishing yourself.
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I went on Liefeld's website once and the guy came across quite unhinged. Now he seems to be burning all kinds of bridges.
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I'll say one thing...there's a picture of one of his
Deathstroke covers in one of the linked articles, and it's
clear that while his art *may* have improved a bit, his
design aesthetic remains firmly rooted in the 90s - lookit
those enormous shoulder pads!
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I watched this all unfold on Twitter the other day.  I have to say, as petty as it all was, Snyder's,"Your twitter feed's the best thing you've written all year," comment was a gem.

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I'm kinda hoping that Liefeld starts tweeting that he is the Warlock of comics, that he has unkillable Tiger Blood, and that he is Winning.

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Damn, that's pretty good too!  Rob Liefeld & Charlie Sheen:  TWO AND A HALF EGOS, coming fall 2012.  One of the funniest aspects of this really unfortunate episode had to be the "you still can't draw feet" shots people made at Rob on his Twitter page.

This whole thing just strikes me as a contrived free publicity stunt for Rob. He's leaving DC and going back to doing whatever he does, so he wants media attention on it.  I say we all protest by drawing accurate representations of human physiology.



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Posted: 02 September 2012 at 5:33am | IP Logged | 12  

As I have said many, many times, this has not been a "professional" business for a long, long time. These are expensive fanzines, now, and rarely anything more.
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While I'm glad I get to be around this forum and a few other civilized comics-related places on the internet, I do sometimes really miss the days when I knew NOTHING about the comics' creators except how they drew and wrote.

I'm supposed to enjoy stories about heroes created by people who act like tantrum-prone babies?  

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I don't know, well, anything, about inside baseball of the comics industry, buta workplace is a workplace and I imagine these tantrums and minor fueds have likely erupted in bullpens long before now.  It just seems like with social media, these public blow-ups are calculated as part of the image.  Some pun intended.

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An geez, it's been a long time since Liefeld was a kid, right? Does he have to speak like one?

I have no idea who is in the right, but his choice of words or not very helpful.

If you want internet attention, write an open letter and try to be polite on it.
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An geez, it's been a long time since Liefeld was a kid, right? Does he have to speak like one?

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Liefeld is 45 this year. I wonder if anyone has reminded him lately of when he used to say no one over 24 should be allowed to work in comics?

(First time I heard that, I noted that he had effectively erased the entire Marvel Universe, retroactively.)

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no one over 24 should be allowed to work in comics?

What kind of an idiotic statement is that?!?

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Posted: 02 September 2012 at 10:32am | IP Logged | 18  

If Rob has a legitimate beef with the DC editors I'm glad he didn't deal with it in an appropriate and mature manner.

He could get more work that way.


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…no one over 24 should be allowed to work in comics…

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What kind of an idiotic statement is that?!?

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One that sprang from a common -- and increasingly more common -- source: no sense of history.

It was around this same time that Todd McFarlane was castigating the likes of Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko and even myself, because we had not struck out on our own and created our own Image-like companies when we were "HOT". Which in my case, the Toddler defined as 1975. (You all remember when I was burning up the stands with WHEELIE AND THE CHOPPER BUNCH!) And, of course, this overlooked the fact that Kirby DID start his own company, in the Fifties, only to see it wither and die.

That was the same piece, as I recall, in which McFarlane referred to the Direct Sales Market as having been around for 35 years -- which at the time he wrote it, would have meant since around 1960 or earlier.

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By the way, when it was announced that Liefeld had signed on to do THREE MONTHLY TITLES, did anyone REALLY believe he'd last?
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I don't understand why DC felt he still had a big enough personal fanbase to support three titles not only as an artists but as a writer.  If it was 1992, sure, but now? Granted it all seemed like a surreal joke to me.
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Everything DC is currently doing seems like a surreal joke to me. Or a bad dream.
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I was going to give a few titles a shot but I could't get past the ridiculous, over the top, violence. When the Joker had the skin of his face removed and nailed to a wall, I signed out for the final time...
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When the Joker had the skin of his face removed and nailed to a wall

That is beyond bad taste, disgusting!

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When the Joker had the skin of his face removed and nailed to a wall

That is beyond bad taste, disgusting!

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Well now he has it strapped back on like a mask so he looks like himself again. 

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