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Tim O Neill
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The cover to issue #2 is featured at the end of issue #1, and we also get a bonus of seeing the title page -- a wonderful shot of the Enterprise approaching Deep Space Monitor Station 18.

The Enterprise looks wonderful in your books, JB. That flaming ship cover is really amazing! 



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Posted: 21 May 2014 at 8:40am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Awesome!
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Great cover.
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Okay, best cover yet!!!

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Looking again at the cover, tonight, I found myself wondering which
episode that image of Kirk came from, since it didn't ring a bell.

By incredible coincidence, I then watched "The Ultimate Computer"
(since I'm rewatching the series, one episode per night) and noticed the
shot where that very image of Kirk on the cover came from. Huh!

Oh, and I finally received the first issue of NEW VISIONS! I'll chime in
after I get a chance to read it.
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...okay.


That was awesome!


From what I've seen, this has mostly been getting great reviews. It
would be easy to quibble, of course (there are a few typos, and some of
the composite images are less convincing than others), but this book is
so FUN, and so dripping with pure love and enthusiasm for the
material, that picking at minor gaffs would be pointless. I'm glad to see
that the reviews are ignoring the easy potshots that would come
naturally with a Frankenstein's monster of a book like this.

On a purely storytelling level, the book is excellent. You may have to
occasionally squint a bit to overlook the Photoshopped nature of the
project, but the meticulous composite work does a crackerjack job of
telling the story.

So much to love, here. So many little details, cameos, and subtle
references (as opposed to the ham-fisted stuff that so often pervades
TREK literature and fanfic) that make this feel like the real thing.

I'll echo the acclaim for the brilliant, comic book-appropriate adaptation
of the universe flip-flop effect! And I love the subtle details, like the
"Bread and Circuses"-style slave braids, and the hints of other TOS
episodes' events being duplicated in the Mirror universe.


Ridiculously fun. By its very nature, this series may be professional
fanfic, but it's some of the best professional fanfic I've read!
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So much to love, here. So many little details, cameos, and subtle references (as opposed to the ham-fisted stuff that so often pervades TREK literature and fanfic) that make this feel like the real thing.

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Glad you finally got to read it, Greg!

One of the hardest parts of this project is fighting against a tendency to do exactly the kinds of things you mention, above. There's a wee imp in my head who hears the voices of the characters, and wants to put familiar phrases into their mouths. And, of course, there is that fannish urge to "footnote" everything, with constant references to previous stories. The latter I allow from time to time, since TOS itself did such references, and people really do mention past experiences -- but the key is to avoid the "cutes." (Like the animated episode with dialog that tried to replay the initial confrontation between Kirk and Harry Mudd from "I, Mudd".)

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…the hints of other TOS episodes' events being duplicated in the Mirror universe.

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That's one place where I could not resist a little "in" reference. Kirk meets M.Kirk, and M.Kirk is reminded of that time the transporter split him into two people. Of course, in the M.verse, it was the "good" Kirk they wanted to get rid of!

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... the end of page 35 and beginning of page 36 didn't sit well with me, too cramped, hard to work out what was happening.

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For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that to be true, How does this qualify as "rushed?" In what SENSE are you using that word?


yeah i wasn't very clear, what i mean was the scene is way too fast to the point of not really being clear as to what is happening. The dialogue seems a bit 'pantomime-y' almost as if to hide the unclarity. M Kirk tells us he's getting into the elevator because its hard to actually see it. It would have been easier on the eyes maybe to use one panel of M Kirk backing into the elevator, gun raised ( and to have had Kirk and Spock land aboard armed with the mini phasers).

As for the next cover. It looks great but I don't like the cut-out images of Kirk, Spock and Mccoy. Better to lose those and just have the image of the Enterprise. We know its about TOS just with that ship on the cover.

The cover to ''The mirror,Cracked'' is graphic genius.

 The cover to ''strange new worlds'' is my least favourite beacuse it looks like it was done with scissors and glue but I understand why you did it. It has a cut and paste look because well, thats how the issue is done. As I said before, my hand hovered over the issue but i took the plunge because a) it looked different inside b) the subject matter and c) it had your name on it.

Maybe on future issues lose the cut-out heads on the cover. 

By the way, the issues my LCS ordered? sold out. 'nuff said.





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One of the hardest parts of this project is fighting against a tendency to
do exactly the kinds of things you mention, above. There's a wee imp in
my head who hears the voices of the characters, and wants to put
familiar phrases into their mouths. And, of course, there is that fannish
urge to "footnote" everything, with constant references to previous
stories.
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The trick, I think, is making references organically, by allowing the
characters to write themselves. You've obviously spent decades
absorbing TREK, which surely makes that a simple task.

For example, Mirror Kirk's reference to Commander Kenner. This is a
reference that makes sense in the context of the scene (since it helps
establish for the reader the nature of a Captain's Woman), but it's also
an internally-consistent reference to "Mirror, Mirror".

So, if you're a casual reader, the reference helps tell the story. If you're
a hardcore fan, it's one of those little details that makes the story feel
"real".


This is obviously a dream project for you. There are a ridiculous
number of subtle-detail photomanipulations and unobtrusive cameo
appearances that didn't NEED to be done. But, they're there, and they
add to the internal consistency and authenticity of the book.

Even the premise--Mirror-Kirk and Kor team up--could seem like bad
fanfic in another writer's hands, but it's done here in such an organic
way that it simply feels like a TOS episode with an unusually-large
budget.

Last year' annual was also great fun, but this new story kicks things up
a few notches!
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…the scene is way too fast to the point of not really being clear as to what is happening.

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Again, are you saying what you want to say? How can still pictures on a printed page be "too fast?" They're just sitting there. They don't flash by like a scene in a movie. You can stare at them for hours. (It is, in fact, one of the frustrations of the comicbook form, that nothing can ever be presented quickly. Anything on the page is available for prolonged viewing, and that can sometimes be detrimental to the intent of a scene.)

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The cover to ''strange new worlds'' is my least favourite beacuse it looks like it was done with scissors and glue but I understand why you did it. It has a cut and paste look because well, thats how the issue is done.

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Actually, with Chris Ryall's hearty encouragement, it was intended to evoke the old Gold Key STAR TREK covers.

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…it simply feels like a TOS episode with an unusually-large budget.

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Perhaps I have "movie money," like Roddenberry shooting the first pilot!

Of course, I absolutely cannot limit myself to the kinds of restrictions imposed upon TOS. As I've said, it would quickly dissolve into unintended parody. In the issue I'm working on presently, I am taking great delight in building Matt Jeffries style sets into which I can paste my figures -- but one prolonged scene calls for the action to take place on an ancient, derelict world. There, I chose to "shoot on location," rather than having Jeffries' sets with a few girders and conduits hanging down. It's something movies and TV shows did, at the time, after all. (And I did it in "Strange New Worlds," too, using oil refineries to represent different, ground level views of Albert Whitlock's matte painting of Delta Vega.)

I really DO have an "unlimited budget," and you know, gosh darn it, TOS DESERVES it!!

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I finally read it yesterday, too.  First store was sold out and the guy said it happened a week ago!  Second store was down to their last copy which I bought, so that's two sell-outs.

I can see why...such great fun!   This was a more heavily plotted and action-filled issue than the more introspective "Strange New Worlds," and really worked on that level.  I particularly enjoyed seeing how you envisioned mirror Spock plotting to take down mirror Kirk after our Kirk returned to our universe as well as our Kirk's strategizing to neutralize mirror Kirk's knowledge of him and his tendencies; it all felt very treklike.  Between Kor and Masters and Mendez and Hansen and Rizzo (who I believe died?  Have to dig out my Obsession DVD, but it's not like crewmen didn't die and reappear pretty regularly, and Mirror takes place before Obsession anyway), guest appearances/cameos were such a pleasure and as Greg said, never interrupted the story flow.

I can see the hours and hours of effort that went into this... from your having to find a shot of Shatner's finger to photoshop against the Tantalus Field button (he never used it in the actual ep?) to having to insert all the mirror doubles and Spock beard stubble (which I imagine was hard... the look you found in the shot of him trimming it off was priceless), the love and careful thinking you put in shows through.

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