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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 11 August 2013 at 12:31pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Now then, Greg --- just how many things did I change in that image? Aside from Pike's temples in the second one, I mean.
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The addition of Piper, adding Spock's second pilot head onto his first pilot body, and changing his tunic color from blue to gold. It all works very well--at first glance, I wondered if you'd replaced his entire body. The color change is seamless!

(Anal-retentive edit: In the second pilot, Spock wore a gold shirt with the usual command-division star on the insignia. So, unless you're being transitional with that element, the Science-division symbol on his tunic should probably be replaced.

And, of course, the Science and Operations insignia swapped tunic colors for the second pilot--beige tunics had the Science division Venn-diagram thingy, and Blue tunics had the "e" spiral.)


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The color change is seamless!

I'll credit Photoshop and a bit of dumb luck for that. Changing the "hue" of Spock's tunic, I discovered all I had to do, after selecting the blue, was shift the slider all the way to the right. That's definitely going to make it easier for multiple changes.

Here's a less than successful Beggs' "guest appearance", along with a couple of other changes.

I also thought about making the navigator a young Ensign Kelso, but I think that might make his climb thru the ranks a bit too slow!

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Posted: 11 August 2013 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Digression: I find the idea of swappable "Bridge modules" that the ENCYLOPEDIA brought into canon to be a bit goofy. Clearly, it was devised to explain how NCC-1701-A's Bridge changed so radically from movie to movie.

I personally prefer the idea that the same Bridge inhabited by April, Pike, and Kirk for all those years remained essentially the same. Sure, the idea of a replaceable Bridge helps explain the size change of the exterior dome between the pilots and the series, but I just like the idea of the core structure of the Bridge remaining the same for all those years, with just a few paint and equipment changes.


Anyway, that's all a long-winded way of saying that the transitional Bridge seen above is neat.
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(Anal-retentive edit: In the second pilot, Spock wore a gold shirt with the usual command-division star on the insignia. So, unless you're being transitional with that element, the Science-division symbol on his tunic should probably be replaced.

And, of course, the Science and Operations insignia swapped tunic colors for the second pilot--beige tunics had the Science division Venn-diagram thingy, and Blue tunics had the "e" spiral.)

A real problem, of course, is that those changes were not made as part of any logical, deliberate progression. The crew in the second pilot is wearing "leftover" uniforms from the first, and the insignia were probably not being given a whole lot of thought.

Logically (ahem) it seems to me that the color coding of the tunics should mean a kind of mix-and-match for the badges. Spock being in blue, for the science division, for instance, should probably mean he'd wear a command badge, being a bridge officer. Still not quite sure why McCoy wore a science badge, while Chapel wore a Red Cross.

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Anyway, that's all a long-winded way of saying that the transitional Bridge seen above is neat.

One thing I'm wondering is whether to make myself crazy by trying to raise Pike's chair!

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Yeah, for the first pilot, there was a logical structure of tunic/insignia
combinations. For the second pilot, things went a little wonky. For the
series proper, they essentially went back to the first pilot system, but
swapped beige tunics for red.

Even then, you can still see leftover pilot uniform on both men and
women in early first season episodes. Much as the seasons 1-2 TNG
uniforms were still worn by extras after the redesigned uniforms were
introduced in the third season.

And there are instances in later TOS episodes of the wrong insignia/
tunic combinations appears even on main cast members! Given that
the insignia had to removed and then reattached every time the tunics
were washed, this was inevitable.
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I'm so glad this will be released at the end of the year.  Thanks for the peek into the process, JB - this thread has been a blast to follow.


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One thing I'm wondering is whether to make myself crazy by trying to
raise Pike's chair!
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If the chair hadn't been raised for the second pilot, I'd say no. Since it
was, raising the chair here would be a nice, subtle, transitional element
if you wanted to go for it.
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And there are instances in later TOS episodes of the wrong insignia/ tunic combinations appears even on main cast members! Given that the insignia had to removed and then reattached every time the tunics were washed, this was inevitable.

I used to have a set of those insignia, bought from Roddenberry's company when I was about 19. Kept them in a clear plastic box in which my mother had received some earrings. Don't know what happened to them, over the years, but part of me hopes, from time to time, they will turn up "miraculously" the way those Dan Dare and Heros EAGLE pages did a while back.

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Still not quite sure why McCoy wore a science badge, while Chapel
wore a Red Cross.
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A Red Cross laid OVER the usual Science badge!
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If the chair hadn't been raised for the second pilot, I'd say no.

And so would I! One of the things I am being careful to avoid as I play this little game is getting ahead of the show. I'd love to slip in some black collars on the uniforms, for instance (VERY easy to do), but we all know the crew didn't REALLY go back to wearing old uniforms, just for funzies, in the second episode aired.

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I used to have a set of those insignia, bought from Roddenberry's
company when I was about 19. Kept them in a clear plastic box in
which my mother had received some earrings.
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Oh, man! A real collector's item, there. It's been speculated that the
earliest waves of those patches were actual leftover stock from the
show, and not reproductions. They may not have necessarily been
screenused, but they'd certainly be the next best thing.
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