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William Roberge
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JB::Specific to no particular story I have in mind, I found myself wondering how believably I could fold one of my 3D alien models into the mix. I made this guy about yen years ago.



The colors, the "look", even the texture. It works!

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That's wicked cool!
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Nice!!!
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Using screencaps from "Spock's Brain", eh?

For all its flaws, that episode does have some nice rear-projection
shots of the view screen, which allowed for the actors to interact with it,
rather than the usual matte-insert viewscreen shots.
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Hey, Greg, since you know everything -- and I do not say that sarcastically! -- do you happen to know why the helm console is off-center in that shot? Looks like it's been pushed about four feet to the right.

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Using screencaps from "Spock's Brain", eh?

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Yes and no.

Rather than scour TREKCore.com for an appropriate image, I did a quick websearch for "star trek tos viewscreen" and that came up. I didn't recognize it, so guessed it was third season.

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Your alien designs are very cool, JB - I think incorporating them into photonovel projects like this would work really well.  It would be a further fusion of your comic book skills into the book.


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That particular alien was a 3D "doodle" that I ended up using for a Xmas eCard that year.

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I also experimented with mixing him into a more elaborate scene with sets and Poser figures.

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Unfortunately, I cleaned off my harddrive some years ago and dumped a lot of those models. I recently found some pieces of them, but not the whole things. Sadly, too, it's been so long since I did any really serious modeling I have lost the muscle memory, and can't remember how to do it any more!

Still, I do have SOME plans for some of those pieces. . .

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Hey, Greg, since you know everything -- and I do not say that
sarcastically! -- do you happen to know why the helm console is off-
center in that shot? Looks like it's been pushed about four feet to the
right.
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That phenomenon of the console being moved around can be seen as
far back as the second pilot, and it appears in other episodes, like "By
Any Other Name".

My guess is that they occasionally cheated with the position of the helm
and Captain's chair unit so they could get better/easier camera angles.

In the shot above, I get the feeling that the camera had to be looking
fairly head-on at the viewscreen for the rear-projection graphic to be
visible. The helm probably needed to be moved over slightly so that
Sulu could be in the shot, since he's prominent in the scene. If the
geography of the console set piece was accurate to the "real" Bridge in
that shot, then Sulu would be off-camera.

In "By Any Other Name", when the Bridge crew are reduced to
paperweights, we see a shot of Lt. Hadley and a few others at the wall-
console to the left of the viewscreen. In a subsequent shot, we see
Chekov sitting in the Navigator's seat, but the helm console has been
rotated several feet to the left so that same front-wall console from the
previous shot is behind him, and the viewscreen is not visible.

My guess is that they simply rotated they helm so that they wouldn't
have to re-light the set just to get a slightly different angle, or maybe to
avoid having the viewscreen in the shot, which would require either a
visual effect, a rear-projection shot, or an on-set starfield backdrop.

I think little cheats like these come own to good 'ol time, budget, and technical limitations.

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My guess is that they simply rotated they helm so that they wouldn't have to re-light the set just to get a slightly different angle…

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That sounds likely. Rewatching the episodes I have become very aware of characters having face-to-face conversations with the same background behind each!

To be honest, it makes me a lot less concerned about times in these photonovels when I have to "cheat" to get the background I want for my shot!

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An attempt at blending a full figure of one of my aliens into a shot from TOS. Don't think it's 100% successful, but honestly can't tell if that's because the Photoshopping doesn't work, or because the alien is SO alien "he" just looks odd on the Bridge!!

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Should he cast a shadow?

Edited by William Roberge on 06 September 2013 at 5:20pm
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