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John Byrne
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 1:44pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

According to INSIDE STAR TREK -- no small part of which is to be taken with a pinch of salt -- either Herb Solow or Bob Justman gave Roddenberry the idea for the "Captain's Log". According to their story. Since viewers were used to shows like GUNSMOKE and DRAGNET, a series set in the Future might seem alien (and not in a good way). So the Log was intended to give viewers a sense that the stories had "already happened", just like on the shows they knew.

In any case, a voiceover by Kirk should be considered a log entry, ship's or personal.

Mostly.

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Which makes the Kirk voiceover in "Court Martial," which is not
identified as a Captain's Log, fairly unusual... "Beaten and sobbing,
Finney told me where he had sabotaged the prime energy circuits...
The damage he'd caused was considerable, but not irreparable. With
luck, I would be able to effect repairs before our orbit decayed
completely."
+++++++++


This was inserted at the last minute. The episode was running long,
and so the scene where the defeated Finney explains what he's done
was cut out. The narration was added over the shots of Kirk making
repairs in order to concisely explain the content of the now-deleted
scene.
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Spock's final line in the story was a nice touch.  It really gave me an( AH HA!) moment. It really could explain "Super Spock" 
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Still, the constant ramping up of Spock's abilities got to be a bit of a
drag. Mind melding with the Horta seemed like a neat idea. But
NOMAD? In the fourth season would he have mind melded with the
ship??
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And, of course, the movies gave us the idea that he could basically
upload a copy of himself into someone else's mind!
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And, of course, the movies gave us the idea that he could basically upload a copy of himself into someone else's mind!

Interesting choice of words!

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Just noticed the top of Kor's screen appearance is poking above the border in the last panel of that page I posted. An annoying feature of Photoshop is that it seems to hate hard edges. I run the block eraser tool around the panels as I work, trying to keep them crisp, yet invariably I find some will have "blurred" by the time the layers are "flattened". Guess that happened with this inserted element. Easy enough to fix ----- but will it STAY fixed??
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And, of course, the movies gave us the idea that he could basically
upload a copy of himself into someone else's mind!


Interesting choice of words!
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Well, what other way is there to describe it? It's not as if there was an
actual life-entity transfer, since Spock was still functional after the meld,
and until his death. And it's unlikely that he merely opened a psionic
channel with McCoy that would allow his Katra to transfer...uh...via Wi-
Fi, or something...at the moment of death.

The only logical solution is that Spock uploaded a copy of himself--all of
his thoughts, feelings, and memories (which the Vulcans call "Katra")--
into McCoy, which could be retrieved later, as per Vulcan custom.

Deleted from ST III was the notion of the Vulcan Hall of Ancient
Thought, where Vulcans can commune with the psionic "recordings" of
their ancestors. That's why Sarek wants the katra--so it can be taken to
the Hall.

Thanks to the existence of his cloned/regenerated body on Genesis,
however, that psionic copy of himself was able to be placed back into
its original body. Sort of.
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

So, what the regenerated Spock body gets back is essentially a copy of a copy (of a copy - if it's "uploaded" from McCoy to the Vulcan priestess and "downloaded" back into...Spock's brain)?  No wonder he's...not quite himself...even thru TVH.
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Posted: December 12 2013 at 4:11pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Exactly.
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 John Byrne wrote:
Easy enough to fix ----- but will it STAY fixed??

You might try a layer that is totally transparent but solid for white panel borders and place it "above" the art.
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I was surprised by how much I enjoyed this. I kept expecting to be taken out of it the same way I usually am in youtube mash ups where you recognise where a particular character's moment/pose has been taken from. But not this. And a large part of that I think is from just how authentic the voices sounded. As nailing that, is I think pivotal in helping readers buy into the story. As a result It really did feel like a missing episode.

And I love how Kirk resolved things with his smarts and not just his fists as is usually the case when people try to write unseen adventures. As I think people just forget what Kirk was really like in at least the first half of the show. (Maybe the 3d season had so many fisticuffs in it that that's all that some people remember about him?)

And I so enjoyed the chuckle line to sign off on at the end. It really did make me laugh. Something that was really missing in almost all the modern day trek shows. So that was a welcome return indeed!


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And, of course, the movies gave us the idea that he could basically upload a copy of himself into someone else's mind!

Interesting choice of words!

++++++++

Well, what other way is there to describe it? It's not as if there was an actual life-entity transfer, since Spock was still functional after the meld, and until his death. And it's unlikely that he merely opened a psionic channel with McCoy that would allow his Katra to transfer...uh...via Wi-Fi, or something...at the moment of death.

I took the katra to be literally the soul. Knowing his death to be imminent and unavoidable, Spock transferred his essential self into McCoy. This is why his "unimportant" memories -- his Vulcan training -- had to be relearned, but his emotional connections ("Your name is Jim.") remained.

So, if anything, it was the Spock who died who was the "copy" -- memories, even of emotional connections, but without a soul.

Preferable, surely, to the Spock we've known since being a copy?

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