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Caleb M. Edmond
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JB,

Having been a longtime fan of the character, what struck me recently was the unique design of the character. 

Not quite a body builder physique, but more that a 'athletic' build, the/your design of the character was both distinct yet 'believable' in term of scale and form. The fact that she could perform such amazing feats (incredible strength/stamina/durability) all while remaining quite feminine.

Could you give us a little insight into your thoughts behind designing the look (or if you're aware, of the thoughts behind those who created the initial design) of the charter?

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JB's She-Hulk is one of my very favorite interpretations of a superheroine, hands down.
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She-Hulk had many fathers, and as such it is hard to describe any sort of real "design process". John Buscema was the first to draw her, and he drew a big Buscema Babe, only the color of her skin distinguishing her from many such he had drawn before.

There was some flirtation with giving her a real bodybuilder physique, after that, but it went away quickly. I was in the office when one particular cover was turned in, for instance, and the artist had drawn her with deep "cuts" on her arms and legs. Shooter ordered these removed.

When I inherited the character, I basically followed Buscema's lead.

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I remember reading the first couple of Savage She-Hulk issues as a kid. People were running and calling her a "monster" when she appeared and I'd flip back to the Buscema covers and think, "but...she's GORGEOUS!"

Late 90's on a Stan Lee Q&A panel at an Orlando con, someone asked a question about She-Hulk's origin in general and as part of his response, Stan described her as a "Raquel Welsh" type. That comment stayed with me and I've often wondered if an off handed comment like that to John Buscema inspired her original look.
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There are far worse leads in this world one could follow than that of John Buscema.

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Or Raquel Welsh!
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Sure. . .

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even at the age of 72 today, ms welch is ridiculously hot
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I really liked how Mr Byrne drew her on the cover of her Graphic novel...I always thought she should have some muscularity..

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She's more toned than muscle-bound, I think.
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She-Hulk should look like a fitness model, not a body builder.  I'd post a pic but I'd be worried about single handedly setting off a new "Boys Will Be Boys" thread!
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Love that rendering above from the She-Hulk GN cover by JB. A bit more defined than the Buscema version but still curvy. When artists draw Jen super lean, the image just screams "breast implants" to me.
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Do they make 'em like Raquel Welch anymore?

Yowza.
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I always thought it looked like this style Welsh. But I had that cover on a super-8 movie, so.

 
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How tall did you imagine She-Hulk was, JB?  I think OHOTMU had her listed at 6'7". (why do I remember these things?  I don't know.  I just do.) But I recall a few panels of her in an elevator with Wyatt Wingfoot where she was towering over him, and Wyatt's hardly a hobbit himself.  Did you picture her over seven feet, or was she just wearing incredible heels?
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A trick I learned early on is to draw tall characters TALL, and short characters SHORT. You can see this very much at work in my days on X-MEN, when I routinely drew Colossus and Wolverine much taller and shorter, respectively, than their "official" heights.
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Amping up a character's physical attributes for maximum effect on a comic page...the essence of cartooning. Sometimes that is lost on today's "realistic" comic art. I miss a lot of the expressiveness in today's art styles.
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Lars, totally see the similarity between those two pics, but you lost me with the Super-8 bit.
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"A trick I learned early on is to draw tall characters TALL, and short characters SHORT."

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JB,  I Guess the question I have is in reference to proportion: How do you draw 'tall' without making them look enormous or gangly and how do you avoid making small characters from looking 'stout'?
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"A trick I learned early on is to draw tall characters TALL, and short characters SHORT."

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JB, I Guess the question I have is in reference to proportion: How do you draw 'tall' without making them look enormous or gangly and how do you avoid making small characters from looking 'stout'?

These points depend very much on the characters. Sometimes, I WANT them to be gangly!

But, unfortunately, this isn't something I can easily quantify for you. When I do a commission piece with Wolverine against a white background, with nothing to give him "scale", posters will often comment on how I have nevertheless managed to make him look short. How do I do it?

Tourist in New York: How do I get to Carnegie Hall?

Cop on the Beat: Practice!

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 James Howell wrote:
...Amping up a character's physical attributes for maximum effect on a comic page...the essence of cartooning. Sometimes that is lost on today's "realistic" comic art...

It seems to me that some of today's comics artists exaggerate still, but they do it WAYYYY too much. Colossus, Juggernaut, and others are not only drawn big and tall by a lot of artists these days, they are drawn huge to the point that they are literally giants.

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Lars, totally see the similarity between those two pics, but you lost me with the Super-8 bit.

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The super-8 reel cover looked like that. Possible they looked at that movie poster or Stan Lee did, but if you have to cover up breasts and pussy I'm sure you end up with a suit like that.
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It seems to me that some of today's comics artists exaggerate still, but they do it WAYYYY too much. Colossus, Juggernaut, and others are not only drawn big and tall by a lot of artists these days, they are drawn huge to the point that they are literally giants.

This is not recent, unfortunately. Over the years we've seen characters like the Thing and the Hulk -- who used to be able to "disguise" themselves with a trench coat, in good ol' pulp tradition -- enlarge to gigantic proportions.

In many ways, it reflects a kind of artistic laziness. Jack Kirby's version of the Thing might have had trouble fitting thru a normal door, but Kirby did not depend on drawing Ben as a, ahem, colossus in order to show us how strong he was. He SHOWED us how strong he was!!

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Rachel Welch was the female inspiration for a few superheroines back in the day!  If I recall correctly, didn't JB used her as a model for Phoenix as well? 

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Raquel Welsh was the most beautiful woman I had seen when I was a kid. It was not like I needed to keep the silver screen at a special distance, if you know what I mean. But she was perfect. What's weird in that movie, is that we all thought she was going to save a little gil from Godzilla, but she just stayed there and kept hugging her. I will see if I can find that episode on Youtube, so you can watch my childhood Raqual Welsh.

Here it is. Shit it's scary even today, There are two alpha males in the movie, that's why they fight over the speer. The Itialian looking dude steps on the girl, I wonder why. And then Raquel Welsh runs there into the scene and you could believe that the girl should be carried out of there, but Welsh just sits there with the girl, a plot hole. It's like let's die together so you don't have to be eaten by Godzilla alone.


And thats why we love She-Hulk so  much. I don't want to drift away from the thread title.


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