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John Byrne
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Posted: 24 July 2015 at 8:39am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Michael Corleone kills a lot of people in THE GODFATHER but I think if he'd murdered children *with his own hands*, the ability to connect with even a villain protagonist would have vanished.

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When Michael kills Fredo in PART II, he really becomes a villain, in my opinion. Vito is a sympathetic character because he takes cares of his family, gets justice for people, etc. Michael has to win at all cost. In the original, when he takes out the heads of the 5 Families and gets revenge for Sonny and his father in the process, this resonates in a positive way for the audience. In the second movie he kills his own brother, which goes against everything his father was. What makes it even worse is that you then see that Fredo was the only person that stood up for him when he enlisted in the Marines.   

Michael is just as bad as Anakin is, as far as I'm concerned. Both are consumed by a lust for power no matter who has to die in the process. If Michael felt like he had to kill children to keep power/not appear weak he would have (like Don Ciccio). It doesn't matter if he ordered it or actually carried it out, the blood would still be on his hands.

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Remember, too, that the GODFATHER movies are about decline, not redemption.

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Posted: 24 July 2015 at 8:44am | IP Logged | 2 post reply



Remember, too, that the GODFATHER movies are about decline, not redemption.

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Absolutely.
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Posted: 17 March 2019 at 7:42am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Revisiting this thread after so many years, I’m struck by a thought: so many of the hardcore, fanatical Warheads have drunk so much of Lucas’ kool-aid because they were just kids when they started, and years later, as putative adults, they must cling to the mythology or admit George fooled them.

After decades of declaring “This is how it is!” they don’t want to look like suckers if they say “No it isn’t.”

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Posted: 22 March 2019 at 9:58am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I grew up watching the original trilogy and I'm still fond of it... even if I agree with about how the story derailed from its original track.

And there's no way Lucas intended Vader to be Luke's father.

I would be really thrilled to read a "Star Wars: Elsewhen".
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Posted: 22 March 2019 at 10:24am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

It’s in my head! Friend and Forum member Paul Gibney even suggested a way Vader COULD be Luke’s father without Ben being a manipulative liar!
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Posted: 22 March 2019 at 10:28am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

It's your Vader's face on page 1 that made me think about it.

That would be so exciting... Far more exciting than the five or six last movies!

And I'm curious about that Vader idea...
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