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Andy Mokler
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Posted: 27 April 2014 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | 1  

http://screenrant.com/doc-savage-character-plot-details-shad e-black/

Very hopeful for this movie to be good but this quote from Black doesn't sound too good.  It's going to be set in the '30's, he's striving to find the perfect sized actor rather than relying on movie tricks, etc.  So there is a lot to like.  But this worries me:

  wrote:
“So we kept it in the 30s, we beefed up the sort of rationale behind what it would take to be a perfect person and to be trained as such from childhood and how that would scar someone. And what it would take to be a parent who is capable of inflicting that on your kid. But beyond that we’ve also tried to be true to the series, give him the helpers and it’s also reinvigorating it but introducing a whole new brand of people to this is a challenge. It’s been around, it’s been 75 years.”

Why does Doc need to be mentally scarred?  If his dad did things right, then he's the result of good training and is near perfect without being scarred in the process.  


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The closest thing to being `mentally scarred' in the pulps
was that he was awkward around women. And that didn't last.
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Posted: 27 April 2014 at 7:24pm | IP Logged | 3  

I hope someone makes a movie about Santa Claus and how mentally scarring it would be to have to keep track of who's naughty and nice. Just think of all the horrific things (murder, pedophilia, etc.) that Santa would be forced to have intimate knowledge of. Plus, he's in the North Pole all year long, so he's got to have a raging case of Seasonal Affective Disorder.
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Posted: 27 April 2014 at 8:13pm | IP Logged | 4  

Why does Doc need to be mentally scarred?

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Write what you know?

Seriously, I know nothing of Shane Black, so I cannot speak of him specifically, but so many times I read or hear directors telling us about their "vision" for the characters (which they did not create), and all I can think is Here's another one using the movies he makes as therapy!

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Don Zomberg
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Posted: 28 April 2014 at 7:03am | IP Logged | 5  

Shane Black loves writing traumatized characters--Tony Stark's PTS in IM3, Mel Gibson in LETHAL WEAPON, Bruce Willis in that idiotic football flick, Geena Davis in THE LONG KISS GOODNIGHT.

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Bill Guerra
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Posted: 28 April 2014 at 10:37am | IP Logged | 6  

And an odd number of his films take place at Christmas.
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Rick Senger
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Posted: 28 April 2014 at 11:00am | IP Logged | 7  

I was initially hopeful but after seeing (and strongly disliking) IM3, which featured all of Black's cutesiness and not much wonder or focus, I am quite concerned. 

"To the world at large, Doc Savage is a strange, mysterious figure of glistening bronze skin and golden eyes. To his amazing co-adventurers - the five greatest brains ever assembled in one group - he is a man of superhuman strength and protean genius, whose life is dedicated to the destruction of evil-doers. To his fans he is the greatest adventure hero of all time, whose fantastic exploits are unequaled for hair-raising thrills, breathtaking escapes and blood-curdling excitement."

Nowhere in there (or the books) do I hear anything about Doc being damaged, angst-ridden and mentally scarred.  He's a man of few words and copious action who lives a life every kid dreams of, full of exotic locales, incredible adventure, cutting edge scientific inquiry and intellectual exploration, fabulous wealth and luxury, the admiration of his peers and the general public, the desire of gorgeous women (who don't really interest him.)  In the later stories he does get more physically vulnerable and injured for a time, but that is a function of age / mileage, not his upbringing.

I recently re-watched Doc Savage - The Man of Bronze which was every bit as horrific as I'd recalled from my one and only viewing in the theater as a kid back in 1975.  While I can't imagine Black's version could possibly be worse than this one, I am close to giving up hope it will be a Doc Savage I recognize or want to see.


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Posted: 28 April 2014 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | 8  

Actually, I think there are a few references in some of the later ones where Doc is given to some introspection and thinks that his upbringing has made him a bit of a freak. It's not that he's just awkward around women, but people in general and that his chosen profession of seeking danger and adventure is a bit nuts (though there is that altruistic drive behind it as well, but he recognizes he enjoys the excitement). The thing is though, those are not major themes of the stories or character. It's a few sentences out of 100 or so pages. If he wants to write about a mentally scarred Doc Savage, the character he should be doing is the Avenger. 
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I'm curious to see how prevalent this damaged Doc is. I'm not
opposed to adding a layer, and can see where it would even fit within
the actual "Man Of Bronze" story. It's also something he should come
to terms with by the end of the film. But if he's damaged to the degree
of his Black's Riggs character, then the film would be a disaster.

It's a tough character to write for a modern audience. I've just come to
except this. Writers maybe over examining him, but I can see where
he might read as one dimensional. He's a perfect specimen both
mentally and physically, as well as rich. The Fabulous five are often in
trouble, but Doc rarely is. Most of the stories I've read have him
seemingly in trouble, only to surprise return to save his friends and tell
them he was never in any real danger at all. A little depth to his
character may not be a terrible thing.

   I enjoyed IRON MAN 3 and loved LETHAL WEAPON and KISS
KISS, BANG BANG. So, I'm willing to give Black a little rope. Now,
we'll just have to see if he hangs himself with it.
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Maybe modern audiences would think that
anyone who would lobotomize criminals
would have to be mentally scarred? I
wonder if they will keep things like that
in the movie?
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Posted: 29 April 2014 at 10:19am | IP Logged | 11  

Maybe modern audiences would think that anyone who would lobotomize criminals would have to be mentally scarred?

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Instead of just a man of his time?

But that would make the moviemakers have to work to hard to properly express it.

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Andy Mokler
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Posted: 29 April 2014 at 10:32am | IP Logged | 12  

I thought the operations that Doc gave criminals just removed their memory of and desire to do evil?  He then rehabilitated them and made them productive members of society.  It was meant to be merciful and an alternative to killing them or letting them sit in prison.
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