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Stephen Robinson
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I wonder what the comic industry is like in the parallel
universe where it wasn't a slow news day in November of
1992 and Superman's death was mostly ignored.
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Brian Floyd
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I don't have a huge problem with the female Thor since
its NOT Thor with a sex change. What I have a problem
with is the character being called Thor. He's not a
superhero, but a God, and its the name he was born with
(unless that's been retconned). Having her being called
Thor would make about as much sense as Black Lightning or
Electro changing his name to Zeus and telling the
Olympian he has to change his name because he has
lightning powers, too. Anything with `Thor' in the name
at all shouldn't be an option for this new Thor.
Also, from the picture I saw, I'm not too crazy about the
costume design. I guess the helmet also being a mask
makes sense, but the helmet design is particularly awful.
Besides, we all know that the real Thor will be back by
the time THE AVENGERS 2 comes out, if not sooner.
What I'm most interested to see is how it all ends. I'm
still quite ticked off at Marvel for getting rid of
Thunderstrike by killing him off instead of just
depowering him. So pardon me if I'm bloodthirsty, but if
the new Thor isn't Sif or Jane Foster, I kind of hope she
ends up dead, as well.
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James Howell
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"The fans will eventually kill what they love..."
Edited by James Howell on 16 July 2014 at 12:42pm
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 16 July 2014 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | 4
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So pardon me if I'm bloodthirsty, but if the new Thor isn't Sif or Jane Foster, I kind of hope she ends up dead, as well. ••• When the All New, All Different X-Men were introduced, there were some who took an instant dislike to Wolverine, demanding that he LEAVE, to be replaced by the Beast. Just a few years later, when Kitty came along, there were those who didn't like her, either. This time, tho, they demanded that she be KILLED. What does this tell us about the changing face of fandom?
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Michael Roberts
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I don't have a huge problem with the female Thor since
its NOT Thor with a sex change. What I have a problem
with is the character being called Thor. He's not a
superhero, but a God, and its the name he was born with
(unless that's been retconned).
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As originally portrayed, Donald Blake wasn't Thor either.
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Brian Hague
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True, but once Asgard was introduced and the characters all called the transformed Don Blake "Thor," the dynamic of the title changed. No one mentioned that Thor might be inhabiting a mortal body or inquired after the mortal shell and where it might be residing now that Thor was back. Thor was simply Thor, back from his banishment, and the Don Blake element of the book became more tenuous. Of course, Blake was in place into the Simonson era, but once Thomas, I believe it was, retconned him into a simple disguise Thor had to wear while exiled on Earth, he became a true un-person, with nothing to distinguish him except the fact that he didn't really exist.
Should this new mystery Thor turn out to be his newly-rediscovered sister Angela, Marvel is missing a bet not to re-title the book OdinSpawn.
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Brian Hague
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Just running through the ones in my memory, the number of alternate Thor's is already pretty high.
There's an android duplicate from JiM #95. There's cameraman Red Norvell from Roy Thomas' tenure on the book. While Thor was away in the Heroes Reborn universe, Red took over his book. Beta Ray Bill carried the hammer for a time, before receiving one of his own. Thor's time as a frog was short, but it inspired Marvel to create Throgg, the Asgardian Amphibian. There are two Thors from Heroes Reborn, Rob Liefeld's and Walt Simonson's corrected version, supposedly the true one come back. There's Dargo, the kid who finds Thor's hammer in the future. There's Eric Masterson, aka Thunderstrike. There's his son Kevin, who appears as Thunderstrike in Tom Defalco's MC2 line, along with Thena, Thor's daughter. Storm has appeared as a Thor pretender. There's the murdering cybernetic Thor that Reed and Tony somehow accidentally invented during Civil War. (Shh. No one bring it up. They're still really embarassed by all the, y'know, deaths he caused!) The Thor who returned after Civil War is supposedly a post-Ragnarok iteration, similar in some respects to a new incarnation of the Doctor. The Valkyrie is something of a Thor doppelganger, although she's been sufficiently fleshed out (!) over time that she seems less obvious as one today. There's Tarene, an alien who being a female Thor-in-training, pretending she's Jake Olson's cousin. I wonder, Did she keep an android duplicate hidden in a nearby tree to help whenever Dick Malverne suspected something? And of course, being a What If fan, I have an abiding affection for Jane Foster as Thordis.
The current writers and editors are doing a lot of hand-waving, dismissing the Earth-X series as just an "alternate reality," therefore not an actual story taking place in the Marvel Universe, but I believe they are being fundamentally dishonest to say that Thor has never been a woman prior to this point, since that was the defining element of the character throughout those multiple mini-series.
And since we just got through a lengthy period when Loki turned female, to trumpet this as original in any way seems flaky, almost as if they're saying, "Well, yeah, sure, but Thor as a woman has never been left-handed before, and really since Thor himself is supposed to be left-handed, none of the other half-dozen runs we've taken at this idea reeeeally count, see..."
Edited by Brian Hague on 16 July 2014 at 5:23pm
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Emery Calame
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Earth-X is an alternate reality where Marvel never got the MEGO contract.
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Andrew W. Farago
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| Posted: 16 July 2014 at 11:19pm | IP Logged | 9
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Captain America's getting replaced again this fall, and there's a shakeup planned for Iron Man, too.
Again, given Marvel's history (see the 1988 versions of all of our favorite superheroes above), I'm not counting on any of this being permanent.
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Eric Kleefeld
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I'll say it: I like the new Batgirl design.
It evokes the original design for Barbara, while also making use of a homemade look and feel that simultaneously manages to still be sleek and coherent.
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John Byrne
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…sleek and coherent.•• NOT words I would use!
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Greg Woronchak
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Although a fun costume design, it seems calculated to me. It's as if a marketing team polled random tweens shopping at Toys R Us what Batgirl should wear.
I applaud their realization that they gotta shift their focus away from hardcore fans, but I'd sure hate to draw those damn boots all the time lol.
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