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Stephen Robinson
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Superhero comics now "TV-ize" their own characters in
their own books. It's like giving yourself a wedgie in
junior high.
I could imagine seeing this as a joke in AMAZING HEROES -
- a parody of what happens to optioned characters. "Well,
we don't have the rights to Batman, and Robin is too
young. Let's age Dick Grayson to about 25 or 26 -- great
for the CW audience. Remember 'no tights/no flights'?
We'll go with 'no capes/no masks' -- yeah, I know it
doesn't rhyme, I haven't had my morning shot of cocaine
yet. By the way, where is my assistant with my morning
shot of cocaine? Oh, and yeah, I know Batman and Robin
were all about 'no guns,' but that tests too San
Francisco to appeal to Kansas viewers. And let's never
use the name 'Dick' unless it's a broadcast-approved way
to say 'penis.' And the name of the series will... wait
for it... GRAYSON!"
Maybe I'm naive, maybe it was never this way, but when I
read a superhero comic from the '60s and '70s, it feels
like my Dad telling me a bedtime story. That's the magic
of superheroes. And instead it's been slowly destroyed.
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Kevin Brown
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Just another reason why I dropped comics.
Edited by Kevin Brown on 24 July 2014 at 12:55pm
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Andrew W. Farago
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Don't blame the series writer for dealing with the cards he's been dealt by the latest big DC crossover, which was written by Geoff Johns, one of the top three creative directors at DC right now. I'm not sure how much was determined before they gave him the book, but it had to at least be "Dick Grayson's secret identity has been exposed, he's presumed dead, and Batman has a long-term undercover mission for him in DC's equivalent of S.H.I.E.L.D. Go with it."
More and more, though, I wish we'd gotten a full-blown reboot with The New 52, instead of the partial one we got (just like Crisis, Zero Hour, Final Crisis, etc. before it). We could have had Dick Grayson as Robin, period. We could have had Gwen Stacy back when Spider-Man did his reset seven years ago. Ah, well. Maybe another 50 years from now...
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Kip Lewis
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DC wants their own Winter Soldier. If it wasn't too
obvious, he would have a bionic limb. Still might
happen.
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Robert Cosgrove
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I never really had any interest in Dick Grayson divorced from Robin, starting right from that JLA-JSA teamup many years ago where the grown up Dick Grayson wore a modified Batman costume. Yucch.
My first thought, beyond the stupid fratboy caption, was the nutty way DG is holding the firearm. Guess he's never had occasion to hold a gun before. But I saw, reading down the thread, that JB easily beat me to commenting on that point. So what can I say, beyond that I agree with JB, and the bulk of the commentary here.
Not buying any Dick Grayson books, but to be honest, I wouldn't have anyway, unless the ghost of Dick Sprang pitched in.
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Matt Hawes
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John Byrne wrote:
| ...Consider: its a good bet that, before the Seventies, nobody ever asked of a title what would be "a good jumping on point." I know. I was there. I started reading by diving right in. At no time did I need back issues to understand the stories.... |
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Exactly! We are a bit apart in age, JB, but that was still pretty much the case when I was younger. Sadly, the rot may have started to set in with my generation of fans, though.
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Marcel Chenier
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It's like they scratched the bottom of the barrel--and found another barrel underneath to work their way through.
How many barrels can there be?
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Wallace Sellars
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I never really had any interest in Dick Grayson divorced from Robin…
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It was a couple of issues after Robin made the transition to Nightwing in the
pages of TEEN TITANS that the character stopped working for me.
Edited by Wallace Sellars on 24 July 2014 at 4:40pm
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Rich Marzullo
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Dude looks like a member of X-Force. Ugh.
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Brian Hague
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Dick Grayson as Nightwing was very much an internal, Teen Titans-related development. Within the series itself, it seemed to scan. Outside of the book, it has rendered the character utterly superfluous and a major continuity albatross. I was never onboard with Dan Didio's campaign against Dick Grayson, but I could certainly see one coming out against everything that he's become, post-Titans. You could lose all of it and still come out ahead, this latest development included.
A spy series from DC. Wow, that's just... the coolest thing ever. And you know it will work well because every spy-related series that DC has ever done has turned out so well. Which is why the stands are glutted with books like Chase, Checkmate, the Losers, and so on.
Putting Dick Grayson in an espionage-themed book is like throwing a drowning man a set of encyclopedias. And that ad is just sad. I wish I could recall which film it was where the older bad guy calls the younger one an idiot for holding his gun that way. The one I'm thinking of wasn't Kick-Ass, although that scene was fun as well. The whole sideways-gun visual is so... 1994. Hey, maybe DC can also bring back their "Welcome Back Kotter" comic to cash in on this whole John Travolta career comeback!
By the way, Grayson's secret identity is blown now? Doesn't that mean Batman's is also gone? And half of everyone in Gotham?
Edited by Brian Hague on 24 July 2014 at 5:14pm
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Brad Brickley
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"Dick, get it??"
It's a good thing comic sales are dying, that way as few people as possible will see this crap.
I long for the days of Batman and Robin, The Boy Wonder. Those are the guys I remember and the ones that most non-comic readers know. Just the other day we caught the end of BATMAN BEGINS and my Dad was asking were Robin was.
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Joe Zhang
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The ad obviously tries to challenge readers to give the book a try. But nothing about it says this book will be fun, interesting. He has a suit with harnesses and a gun. This is different from the thousands of other such characters, how?
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