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John Byrne
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I've been suggesting for some time that we all use @ for "irony" and/or sarcasm.
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Vinny Valenti
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My memory may be faulty, but I believe that Johnson was following Pacheco's
off-model, er, model of Ben Grimm. I seem to recall another issue that was
actually drawn by Pacheco (the r egular artist at the time)that had Grimm
looking like that.
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Mark Haslett
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Andrew: ..none of those people look like any member of the Fantastic Four..
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And with that coloring, the sky doesn't look like sky, the dirt doesn't look like dirt, the clothing doesn't look like clothing... etc.
Comic Books... You've Come A Long Way, Baby!
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Eric Ladd
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| Posted: 26 July 2014 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 4
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That is the model of Ben Grimm established earlier in the series by Carlos Pacheco. That page is definitely not his though. Despite the credits the biggest difference being how Pacheco drew the Thing. I love his style and paired with Merino for inking duties they are a very good team. Have a look at the covers starting with #35:
Fantastic Four 1998
The portly Ben Grimm was not a favorite change of mine during the Pacheco run, but there was some great art. I picked up a page from Jim Warden quite some time ago when he was in California.
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Manuel Soler
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Well, when I said Pacheco was in the book, it was because he was the writer/plotter although he didn't draw all the issues. Perhaps the chosen page wasn't the better one but here another page from #40 by Pacheco.
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John Byrne
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That idiot Jack Kirby! Just because he co-created the characters, he thought he knew how to draw them!
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Jason Larouse
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Why is Johnny wearing Iron Man armor on that page
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Mark Haslett
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So weird to see, in that Pacheco art, the use of a whole page of old school 4-panel layout to tell what is basically 7 lines of dialogue... and NOTHING else.
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Koroush Ghazi
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I don't think that second page of art really helps matters. I can't speak for anyone else, but to me those characters look completely unrecognizable as Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm.
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Conrad Teves
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In that second page, a lot of the problem for Johnny is in panel 2 with how the colorist gave highlights that suggest Johnny has chipmunk cheeks. And how he generally ignored the light in the rest of the scene.
Plus, why do so many colorists not use diffuse highlights for things that aren't shiny? The leather jacket in panel 4, nice. Johnny's pants in two? Not so much. Unless I'm misreading the scene and he's wearing silk pajamas.
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Eric Ladd
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The coloring was at times distracting, but remember that page was done in the late 90's. Merino's inks were very nice. Especially the textures he was creating.
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John Byrne
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Plus, why do so many colorists not use diffuse highlights for things that aren't shiny? The leather jacket in panel 4, nice. Johnny's pants in two? Not so much. Unless I'm misreading the scene and he's wearing silk pajamas.•• I've been complaining about this for years. In CHAPTER ONE there was a page with Norman Osborn where he was apparently wearing green glass pants! Glass, when required, is another problem. Windex does not exist, as far as too many colorists are concerned. Windows and mirrors are fogged, almost every time!
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