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Kip Lewis
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Something I should clarify; Oracle doesn't justify The
Killing Joke because TKJ was not written to create Oracle
not was she created within that story. They could have
gotten to Oracle without TKJ. They could have even had the
violent beginning without the humiliation.

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Jason Schulman
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I agree that Oracle had a "weight" within the DCU that she wouldn't have had if she wasn't Barbara Gordon. But Barbara still could have been Oracle, in most respects, without being in the wheelchair, without TKJ being a canonical story.
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Jason Schulman
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BTW, that 1988 (?) Batgirl comic says "DC COMICS AREN'T JUST FOR KIDS!"

I suppose today that would be "DC COMICS AREN'T FOR KIDS!"
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They could have even had the violent beginning without the humiliation.

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@ But where's the FUN in that? @

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Stephen Robinson
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The issue for me is that I can't imagine DC allowing a
male character -- even one they intended to put to
permanently retire -- to be disposed of in such a
passive, sexualized manner as Barbara Gordon was.

Jason Todd, as Robin, was allowed to die a hero (throwing
himself in front of a bomb to save his mother) and most
of the audience at the time hated him.

It's like the proposals for stories in which Wonder Woman
is raped.

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Kip Lewis
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I agree that Oracle had a "weight" within the DCU that
she wouldn't have had if she wasn't Barbara Gordon. But
Barbara still could have been Oracle, in most respects,
without being in the wheelchair, without TKJ being a
canonical story.
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And yet right now, what we have is Barbara is back being
Batgirl, and they totally dropped the Oracle aspect from
her series (which I buy/read, though I am a few issues
behind waiting for the next TPB), and from what I have
read of Birds of Prey. No aspect of Oracle has shown up
anywhere else, to my knowledge.

On top of that, they are practically rebooting the
character again, with a new creative team taking her in a
new direction.

You are right; there is no reason that restoring
Batgirl's health forces her to abandon Oracle. She could
have evolved that character, but they didn't.

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