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Jason Czeskleba
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If you don't like it, that's fine, but it's not offensive.
If you don't like Superhuman people wearing skintight clothes doing athletic things, and artists taking that into account on the page, then maybe Superhero comics are not for you. |
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The quality of the composition is not really relevant to this discussion. People are not protesting this because it is poorly-rendered.
Whether it's offensive or not is an opinion, not a fact.
I don't find it offensive so much as inappropriate for the publication/character, and sexist. I find it hard to believe you can't see the distinction between an athletic pose and a sexualized one, or between how men and women are portrayed in comics in general.
Here's an illustration that makes the point nicely:
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John Byrne
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Slow news week?
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Paul Greer
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I find it amusing we start this thread by attacking anyone who may not
like this image. Personally I like my porn to be of real women in live
action movies, not drawings of them in comic books. But to each their
own.
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Carmen Bernardo
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One of the most amusing(?) things about this is that people are taking the bait. As much as I appreciate the technical aspects of Manara's artwork, I'm really not into the types of stories that he draws so I know what to expect of him when an announcement is made of his doing a variant Spider-Woman cover. Given what I recall of the original Spider-Woman comic which ran during my childhood years, there was a lot of what Japanese animation fans would call "fan service" scenes even then. Usually, those scenes were quite subtle given the nature of the Comics Code that was still in force then.
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Eric Sofer
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Well, the figure looks realistic anatomically speaking, if not a typical example (as opposed to that picture of Power Girl - oh merde!) It doesn't offend me, but there is no question in my mind that sex sells, and that's what's offered here.
But practically speaking... why would someone be in that position? If I were climbing a wall and going over to the roof, I would not put my tuchus in the air like a target in a shooting range. Then again, I'm not a young sexy woman who's forty-something... no, wait, Marvel time is seven years in the past? So she's only 28... nah. That way lies madness.
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John Byrne
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But practically speaking... why would someone be in that position? If I were climbing a wall and going over to the roof, I would not put my tuchus in the air like a target in a shooting range.•• As to that. . . The key to drawing superheroes in action -- and something which seems to elude many current artists -- is NOT to put them in relaxed or naturalistic positions. These shots are "freeze frames" that capture the action at the most extreme point. Poses that no human body would be likely to hold for more than a second or less, So, sure, it's not likely that Spider-Woman would stick her bum up in the air and HOLD it there -- especially without an audience! -- but she might very well pass thru that position just for a moment.
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Doug Centers
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" but there is no question in my mind that sex sells, and that's what's offered here."
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Bingo!
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Kevin Brown
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Jeez! I'm reading the thread and then I scroll down to that image that Brian Peck posts. Of course, someone walks up behind me at work right at that point!
A little warning please!
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Roy Johnson
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| Well, the figure looks realistic anatomically speaking, if not a typical example (as opposed to that picture of Power Girl - oh merde!) |
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Eric, can you expand on that, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying the Power Girl is not realistic anatomically, or that its not typical? She looks proportioned correctly to me (unlike, say, a Michael Turner drawing as below -- Kryptonians sure have weird spines).
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Anthony J Lombardi
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As to that. . . The key to drawing superheroes in action -- and something which seems to elude many current artists -- is NOT to put them in relaxed or naturalistic positions. These shots are "freeze frames" that capture the action at the most extreme point. Poses that no human body would be likely to hold for more than a second or less, So, sure, it's not likely that Spider-Woman would stick her bum up in the air and HOLD it there -- especially without an audience! -- but she might very well pass thru that position just for a moment. ````````````````` That's has been a point of frustration for me for quite sometime now. No matter how I've tried to explain that point. Too many would be "art experts" just can't grasp the concept.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Back tho the first post. I don't think it's sexist. I don't like it myself.
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Matt Reed
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Brian Peck wrote:
Big difference between the PowerGirl pose and the Spider-Woman. The
later is a pose that looks like it was in a Porn Magazine. |
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Both are extreme sexualizations of women, Brian. That was my point.
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