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Carmen Bernardo Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 08 August 2006 Location: United States Posts: 3666
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 4:37am | IP Logged | 1
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Per Brian's reply, for some reason, I get the impression that whomever green-lighted the Manara cover art must think that teenaged male readers would appreciate having a full view of what goes on between Spider-Woman's butt cheeks. Like I said, the cheesecake was very subtle in the original Code-approved comics that I brought at that age. Tone-deaf, indeed.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 4:50am | IP Logged | 2
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That Manara Spider-Woman cover is probably more worthwhile than the entire output of Liefeld, McFarlane and Jim Lee combined. It's a dashing, slightly risque portrayal of a superheroine by a master of comic art. But it comes at the wrong time for Marvel, who have become one of the most consistently successful producers of big-budget movies in the world. In the absence of serious creative missteps in their movies, the media will look at Marvel's comics. And there's plenty of stuff there for the provocateurs to zero in on.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 22 August 2014 at 4:51am
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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 31 January 2014 Location: United States Posts: 4789
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 5:13am | IP Logged | 3
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Roy Johnson - speaking as a comic veteran, an old fogey, and a dirty old man (but an HONEST dirty old man), the bosom is unrealistic to me. Even if it's been consistently drawn (and I'm a big ol' Power Girl fan, so I've followed her adventures), it's distracting and seems too much. Yes, I know there are real women who look like that (and suffer for it) but I don't want my surrealism to be THAT obvious.
And even as a male pig (but an honest male pig), I don't find that especially... titillating seems to be the best adjective here. It's almost off-putting.
Granted, I'm 53 - I'm NOT their target audience. But are the big breasts going to convince teen age boys to buy AND CONTINUE TO BUY Power Girl's book? (I did because I thought the stories were adventuresome and fun...but not for the physical visceral thrill.) Hope that explains my comment to you.
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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 31 January 2014 Location: United States Posts: 4789
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 5:18am | IP Logged | 4
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Jason Schulman - "Are male superheroes drawn with big packages, etc.? No. "
Ah, maybe. Check out the last page of Kingdom Come book 3, with Captain Marvel standing over Superman. There's just nothing else to say...
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Bill Mimbu Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 April 2008 Location: United States Posts: 7357
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 6:22am | IP Logged | 5
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I'll just say that cover would be passed over by me like a majority of the Marvel books on the LCS shelves these days. Again, I'm not the intended audience.
I'm a big fan of Shunya Yamashita and his work on the Marvel / DC Bishoujo statues, but this really didn't appeal to me at all:
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Anthony J Lombardi Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 9410
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 6:35am | IP Logged | 6
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If it's a fan complaining boo hoo. If you don't like it stop reading the book.
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For the record, I haven't bought Marvel or DC superhero comics in years. The frequent "hey fellas! here's some T&A for ya!" art was one of many reasons. `````````````` And that's how you should deal with it. If every other fan who feels the same as you. would do the same. The comic publisher will get the point. ````` Jason Schulman - "Are male superheroes drawn with big packages, etc.? No. " ````````````````` Of course they do. Just like with women in comics it all depends upon who is drawing the picture....
Lets keep it in perspective. Is this photo sexist or pornographic ?
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Jani Evinen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 09 May 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 1104
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 7:07am | IP Logged | 7
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Its a well made cover. I don't know if it is suitable for superhero-comics, but like somebody pointed out ,not that much different from tons of covers that have been produced in the last 20 years or so.
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Jason Schulman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 08 July 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2473
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 7:15am | IP Logged | 8
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Response to Anthony:
"Of course they do"? Do you mean "of course they are"? Really? Superheroes drawn with big packages in mainstream comics? Haven't seen it.
Your photo isn't sexist or pornographic. It also has nothing to do with superhero comics. Michaelangelo's David has nothing to do with Mike Deodato drawing Wonder Woman in a thong in the pages of Wonder Woman circa 1994.
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Greg Woronchak Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 8:28am | IP Logged | 9
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The sad thing is that Marvel benefits from this tempest in a teapot, free publicity.
It used to be about the stories, not dumb stuff like this!
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Jason Scott Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 8:36am | IP Logged | 10
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Are male superheroes drawn with big packages, etc.? No. So the sexism should be obvious. ------------------------------------------------------------ -----
I've never really seen that as comparing like with like. The female equivalent of that, if you'll excuse the crude vernacular for one moment, would be artists drawing bulging camel toe like versions of a superheroine crotch. Which doesn't tend to happen.
What does tend to happen though is that superheroes are often drawn with bulging chests and arm muscles. Which according to my female friends is generally what they'll notice about a guys physique. (That and the behind ironically enough..) They've certainly never told me that they'd go looking at a guys genitals. Hmm..maybe I just know the wrong type of girls! ;)
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James Howell Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 September 2012 Location: United States Posts: 363
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 10:09am | IP Logged | 11
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Despite being bombarded with sexual images, and having access to internet porn on demand, many Americans still have an issue with not only sexuality but just plain nudity. Violence, not so much. Superheroines are sexy. They've always been sexy. It's part of the appeal. It's well-built godlike humans, wearing skin-tight clothing, doing very athletic things in public. If you saw Spider-Woman climb over a roof edge, in real life, with that red skin-tight suit, you'd take notice.
Manara captured that moment well, and it shows the stark difference between his cover, and most covers done by Marvel. Marvel likes to keep their covers generic, so that they can use them at any time. Most current artists will draw pin-ups. or standing shots with no background. Manara followed Marvel's mandate, but he drew an actual SCENE, rather than a plain standing studio shot. He drew a cover that INSPIRES the imagination, not kill it. You could probably concoct an entire story, just around that cover itself.
And not just "that" kind of story either! LOL (you naughty boys!)
Milo Manara did with that cover what all great artists do with their works, it evoked CONVERSATION.
Edited by James Howell on 22 August 2014 at 10:57am
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Jesus Garcia Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 10:28am | IP Logged | 12
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That image is an embarassment to comicbook fans. Forget the skin-tight suit, I can see the skin texture. Spider-Woman is naked but for a half-mask!
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