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Posted: 21 August 2014 at 10:25am | IP Logged | 1  

Apologies to Ken Landgraf for singling him out here. This is a mistake SO many artist make -- including your's truly.

I was looking for a Wally Wood shot of Powergirl for another thread, and came upon this:

What's wrong? Powergirl's blow is arcing downwards, but Wonder Woman is flying UP and back from the impact.

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I follow what you're saying but for some reason, can't think of how WW should be reacting.

From the way the picture is set up, I imagine that WW came flying down from the top left.  But when I do that, it makes the reaction seem to make sense.
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**This is a mistake SO many artist make -- including your's truly.**

I don't believe you make mistakes, you make artistic decisions....;-) 

Unfortunately, I see this kind of action shot in comics way too often.
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I imagine that WW came flying down from the top left. But when I do that, it makes the reaction seem to make sense.

If it takes even a moment to figure out how to make a drawing "work," there's something wrong with the drawing.

Like I said, this is a mistake I have made myself, more than once, tho a Google search turned up nothing (somewhat surprisingly!).

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I was guilty of that myself. Until I you pointed that out JB. I believe it was in a thread discussing  Gil Kane punches. I had a Homer moment "Doh!" realized I needed to be mindful. Hopefully I remember more than I forget.
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I don't think Wood meant to convey PG's arm going down, but it going across.

I'm thinking he didn't want to draw the foreshortened striking arm going across her body, blocking her boobs and part of her face, so he cheated a little.

Just my two cents.
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I don't think Wood meant to convey PG's arm going down, but it going across.

Wood?

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HAHA....he is getting his message board wires crossed.
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whoops! I thought it was a Wally Wood panel, not a Ken Landgraf panel, My Bad! Read it too fast!

Apologies to Ken Landgraf, wherever you are!
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My first thought when I saw what JB was describing there was "Shouldn't Wonder Woman be bending down with the impact and falling towards the ground?" Unless Power Girl's fist rebounded downwards after connecting with WW's face in a right cross, perhaps?
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James>>Apologies to Ken Landgraf, wherever you are!<<

Are you kidding?  For whatever reason, someone mistook his art for Wally Wood.  You probably made his whole month.
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I've more of a problem with Power Girl apparently expending no effort to whack WW into the distance - as both legs are pointing in the same direction, with knees bent, she doesn't look well poised to deliver such a blow. Not sure what the cape is doing as well - perhaps there is a freak wind behind it somewhere

I'm surprised no-one has yet commented on the most .. outstanding .. parts of the composition. Even for Power Girl, that area seems fairly bounteous ...


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Looks like the old 40s style of punching.
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<<I'm surprised no-one has yet commented on the most .. outstanding .. parts of the composition. Even for Power Girl, that area seems fairly bounteous ...>>

I wasn't going to comment on the overall drawing quality because I thought this was fan art. It's not. It's actually from a semi-pro artist who drew for Marvel and DC in the 70s and 80s.


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I think we're all disturbed by the fact that Power Girl's left boob seems to be larger than her right. The physics issues are clearly a secondary concern.
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I hate to out the guy, but I'm pretty sure he spliced together two different poses. The Wonder Woman pose is from WONDER WOMAN #236 and is by Rich Buckler and Vince Colletta. The Power Girl pose probably IS Wally Wood (maybe over Ric Estrada) from some interior page of ALL-STAR COMICS in the 70's. He probably altered PG's arm, explaining the awkward angle. And this explains why PG is punching down and WW is falling up--the two poses were never meant to be together in the first place.

Ironically, Rich Buckler is the guy everybody accuses of swiping--and here he is being swiped himself!


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And to be fair, Buckler probably DID swipe some of this pose from Garcia-Lopez who did a similar pose TWO issues earlier! But at least Buckler altered enough of it to make it his own (swipe-able) pose!

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Posted: 22 August 2014 at 4:32am | IP Logged | 18  

HOLY [BLEEP]!!

I could've sworn that was a fan art job by Landgraf. Looks like he actually traced that WW pose.
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The Garcia-Lopez cover sums up my childhood experience with DC comics. Exciting covers, but disappointingly dull stories. 
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Notwithstanding the direction that WW is flying, three things occurred to me.
1) Power Girl is punching sideways... not facing her target.
2) There are motion lines (sorry, don't know the technical term) for Power Girl's arm, implying movement... but none for Wonder Woman. So either there's some inconsistency, or Wonder Woman was struck and wasn't knocked back. Maybe she was hovering... :)
3) That must be some punch to turn WW's torso sideways and back, but leave her legs forward and front.
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this is one that always bothered me.


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Is that from a Claremont issue of X-Men? Classic piece of "As you know, Bob" dialogue there.
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I'm pretty sure that was after Claremont left the book. In fact it might be
the issue immediately following his departure.
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I presume there was, at the time, shock and horror from fandom over the deep delineation of Rogue's gluteal cleft in that drawing, above. After all, these are costumes, not paint. . . . .
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"Is that from a Claremont issue of X-Men? Classic piece of "As you know,
Bob" dialogue there."

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Er......That actually was JB's scripting, X-MEN#4.
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