| Author |
|
Kip Lewis
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 March 2011
Posts: 2880
|
| Posted: 31 October 2014 at 7:47pm | IP Logged | 1
|
|
|
Nova, (current) Ms. Marvel, Loki, Firestorm, Gravity,
Sentinel, Cyclops; none of them are based on
characters that existed before them.
••Captain Obtuse rides again. Of the seven names you
list, five belong to pre-existing characters. The new
ones may be "different," but the chances are zero to
none that they would exist if the others had not been
there first.
=====
Let us see.
Cyclops is the original character. Not a double, Not
based on anyone. Just original character torn from his
time.
Nova...Before you finished replying I fixed that
because i was talking about the original 70s
character.
Ms. Marvel. Name is reused but she was created for
diversity's sake. So they reused a name. But the
character would have been created even if they choose
to give her an original name. They wanted to market,
"We have a Muslim teenage girl hero. We are diverse."
Firestorm, again original version original character.
Sentinel. A kid with a "pet" Sentinel. Personally one
of the most stupid ideas but not based on anyone
existing unless you consider the Sentinel part.
Loki... Original character reborn in a younger form.
Even if you accept the idea that Cyclops as leader
makes his teammates sidekicks (which I don't) that
doesn't work on teams like Legion or Runways which
don't have strong single leaders.
So, no if Spider-Man stayed a teen these last fifty
years, he would not be a unique idea. He would be
the first, the best, but he would not be one of a
kind.
Edited by Kip Lewis on 01 November 2014 at 6:47am
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
|
| |
Stephen Robinson
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 5835
|
| Posted: 01 November 2014 at 11:25am | IP Logged | 2
|
|
|
With respect, this seems like missing the point. The original X-Men
were students, subordinate to an adult. Other members of teams had
each other. Many of us related to Spider-Man because he had no one
but himself, no one to confide in.
Tangentially, this is an issue that comes up with a lot of modern
superheroes -- they reveal their identities to a core group of people who
in turn become confidantes. The Flash series started this way from the
first episode.
Spider-Man, for quite a while, maintained that disaffected sense of
isolation readers would have recognized.
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
| www
|
| |
Brad Krawchuk
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 June 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 5819
|
| Posted: 01 November 2014 at 12:02pm | IP Logged | 3
|
|
|
The original Nova and the original Firestorm were both created as a way to replicate the solo teenager-as-superhero success that Spider-Man once represented, but by the late 70's/early 80's, had already matured beyond recognition from that role.
The problem with that sentence above is, of course, the use of the word "original." Both Nova and Firestorm themselves have aged beyond the point of being solo teenagers as superheroes, and now they have namesakes floating around bearing their names but which are, at best, third rate Spider-Man stand-ins.
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
e-mail
|
| |
Ted Pugliese
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 December 2005
Location: United States
Posts: 7979
|
| Posted: 01 November 2014 at 12:04pm | IP Logged | 4
|
|
|
After years and years of this, you would think those
in charge would simply stop aging their fictional
characters. Who cares how old they are? Just stop!
You don't have to specify their exact age, just agree
that they aren't old and simply stop aging them.
Furthermore, you can't put the genie back in the
bottle. No matter how much you would like to, you
can't, so again, just stop aging them.
Peter graduated high school, went to college, and
somewhere along the way finished college and got
married to Mary Jane. Yes, it was too much; he should
have never gotten married, but he did. It is what it
is, but now you gotta stop. Peter and Mary Jane
should be a young couple without children (forever).
Just stop aging them (and simply forget about Gwen
Stacey and never mention her again).
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
| www
|
| |
John Byrne
Grumpy Old Guy
Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 132263
|
| Posted: 01 November 2014 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | 5
|
|
|
After years and years of this, you would think those in charge would simply stop aging their fictional characters. Who cares how old they are?•• Simple: a small slice of fandom who fuss and fidget about such things, and who have infiltrated some of their own into the Companies, with the result that their whining has been listened to -- which is one of the factors that has driven away the casual readers upon whom we used to depend, and caused that small slice of fandom to become proportionately larger, and louder. Empty pitcher. . .
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
|
| |
Stephen Robinson
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 5835
|
| Posted: 01 November 2014 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | 6
|
|
|
TED : Peter graduated high school, went to college, and
somewhere along the way finished college and got
married to Mary Jane. Yes, it was too much; he should
have never gotten married, but he did. It is what it
is, but now you gotta stop. Peter and Mary Jane
should be a young couple without children (forever).
Just stop aging them (and simply forget about Gwen
Stacey and never mention her again).
SER: You touch on what I call the Continuity Sickness at Marvel. ONE
MORE DAY supposedly resolved all of this -- the marriage was
removed from Peter's past, and his secret identity was put back in the
box. There was enough room to move forward writing him as an early
20something at most.
But within a few short years, Peter got his PhD and too many people
know he's Spider-Man again. There's a determination, it seems, to
make Peter 30 and only recognizably the guy from ASM 1 in regard to
his powers, costume, amd wisecracking personality.
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
| www
|
| |
Ron Chevrier
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 1641
|
| Posted: 02 November 2014 at 12:22am | IP Logged | 7
|
|
|
I first started reading comics in the early 70's. Back then, the characters largely maintained the status quo when it came to aging. I liked it that way, and still wish it were mostly so.
Two notable exceptions in the DC Universe were Supergirl and Robin, both of whom seemingly aged overnight, graduated from high school, and went on to university. I suppose this was an attempt to interest those Peter Parker fans who identified with him.
When introduced to the JSA and Earth 2, I liked them immediately, and wanted to know more about these strangely dressed heroes, some of whom I'd seen in 100 page reprints, others who had the names of my favorite JLA members, but different outfits. I loved the fact that they were somewhat older, and more experienced than their JLA counterparts. I didn`t ask or want them to be that way. They just were, and within the context of those classic teamups, it made sense. They were still strong enough to fight the good fight as they proved year in and year out.
It all started to go downhill when writers started to portray those characters as tired old men who constantly moaned about their age, then started killing them off one by one, and aging the rest to a ridiculous extreme. (Look! We`re edgy! We killed a Superman!)
Possibly, Starman was the one decent comic, featuring an aged Ted Knight, but I certainly would have preferred to see him in his fighting prime, or something close to it.
The so-called Golden Age characters should have been largely left alone, on their own Earth, enjoying blissful semi-retirement, and maybe popping up once a year to fight alongside the JLA, not ground into chum for the latest sales-goosing "event".
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
|
| |
|
|
Topic Closed)
