Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login
Movies
Byrne Robotics > Movies Page of 4 Next >>
Topic: Who Knew Liberace was Gay!!! (Topic Closed Topic Closed) Post ReplyPost New Topic
Author
Message
John Byrne
Avatar
Imaginary X-Man

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 117717
Posted: 10 December 2014 at 8:54am | IP Logged | 1  

This morning, checking birthdays on the IMDb, I noticed a sidebar showing a list of "Gay actors." I clicked on it, to see if there were any surprises. There weren't.

What struck me as interesting, tho, is how far the Gay community has come in just a few decades. Once upon a time, being openly Gay was basically the kiss of death, and performers especially -- yes, even Liberace -- would sue newspapers and magazines that said they were, even if they were!*

The list was interesting, in that it pretty thoroughly shattered the persistent stereotype of Gay men being effeminate. Oh, sure, some on the list very much fell into the "Well, duh!" category, but many more were big, studly, masculine figures. Gosh, could it be that homosexuals inhabit many different physical types, just like everybody else?

There were one or two "unconfirmed sightings" that sort of belonged to the "They're Famous So We Claim Them" category, but mostly I felt the whole thing was a positive. "We're Queer and we're here!" Bravo!

Next step, of course, will be when it doesn't matter, either way. THEN we'll finally see homosexuals, male and female, achieve true equality. Looking forward to that day!

__________

* Liberace famously sued a London columinst who called himsefl "Casandra," after the Greek heroine who could predict the future but not be believed. Liberace won his case, and a substantial settlement. When Liberace's homosexuality was confirmed, decades later, "Casandra" asked "Can I have my money back, now?"

Back to Top profile | search
 
Michael Penn
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 12 April 2006
Location: United States
Posts: 10661
Posted: 10 December 2014 at 9:35am | IP Logged | 2  

I was a kid when Liberace was a big deal and my family were all immigrants without much thought to popular American culture -- work work work! study study study! -- so, what do you think about this notion that people didn't know Liberace was gay?
Back to Top profile | search
 
Stephen Robinson
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 5835
Posted: 15 December 2014 at 10:07pm | IP Logged | 3  

Slight tangent but perhaps relevant to this thread.

Does your appreciation for a performance change if you
discover the actor was as far removed from the character
as possible?

Some people will dismiss an actor as "simply playing
himself." I disagree with this POV because even if I
were starring in THE STEPHEN ROBINSON STORY, it's not so
easy to just "play myself" and effectively convey
emotions on cue.

But back to the subject of this thread, if Sylvester
Stallone were to "come out" as an "effeminate" gay man
in real life, would that change how we viewed his
performances in ROCKY or RAMBO? And should it?
Back to Top profile | search | www
 
Petter Myhr Ness
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 02 July 2009
Location: Norway
Posts: 3072
Posted: 16 December 2014 at 1:33am | IP Logged | 4  

...would that change how we viewed his performances in ROCKY or RAMBO? And should it?
--


Maybe it would for some, but it shouldn't. After all, he's not a war machine in real life! Movies are about make-believe. Many straight actors have played guy characters and vice versa. It's what's up on the screen that matters.
Back to Top profile | search
 
James Woodcock
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 21 September 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 5158
Posted: 16 December 2014 at 2:22am | IP Logged | 5  

I will forever be amused by Freddie Mercury. How we never twigged is, in retrospect, an interesting thing with regards to how homosexuality was viewed in the '70's.

There were so many images around us but we just never saw them as such. Morcolme and Wise sharing a bed in their sketchers being another example. I don't remember the discussions starting until the '80's. Or maybe I was so young that it just didn't seem relevant to the joke.
Back to Top profile | search e-mail
 
David Miller
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 April 2004
Posts: 2235
Posted: 16 December 2014 at 9:04am | IP Logged | 6  

I remember watching Culture Club:Behind the Music in 1992 and being shocked to find out Boy George is gay. I tired to explain to my (gay) roommate that most transvestites aren't gay, but he thought I was a fool.
Back to Top profile | search | www e-mail
 
Bill Collins
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 26 May 2005
Location: England
Posts: 10792
Posted: 16 December 2014 at 11:13am | IP Logged | 7  

I think Freddie got away with it because of the times,especially in the U.K. in the early to late 70`s `Glam` was all the rage,being camp and effeminate was part of the look,it was later when he cut his hair and wore the porn star tache that we twigged! Look at Queen live circa 74/75 and the rest of the band looked equally camp.Take a band like The Sweet,maculine bruisers in satin and make-up!
As for Liberace,my mom has often told of how,in the 60`s my grandad refused to believe he was gay despite the evidence!
Back to Top profile | search e-mail
 
Vinny Valenti
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 6701
Posted: 16 December 2014 at 11:18am | IP Logged | 8  

If Richard Simmons ever came out, would anyone be
shocked? It's his business and all of course, but if he is
actually gay, I'm surprised that he wouldn't have come out
by now, since his career is focused on helping people, and
it certainly would not affect his career one iota. So it makes
me wonder if perhaps he really isn't!
Back to Top profile | search
 
Peter Martin
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 March 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 12072
Posted: 16 December 2014 at 12:40pm | IP Logged | 9  

Freddie is an interesting case. No one did seem to twig while he was alive, though there is some revisionist thinking that has gone on with friends I know who claim that it was well known at the time.




Back to Top profile | search
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Imaginary X-Man

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 117717
Posted: 16 December 2014 at 12:44pm | IP Logged | 10  

People like Freddy Mercury and even Liberace were so over the top the assumption was that it was all part of the act.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Kevin Brown
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 31 May 2005
Location: United States
Posts: 7786
Posted: 16 December 2014 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | 11  

The only actor/famous person who eventually came out as gay that was truly surprising to me was Rock Hudson.  
Back to Top profile | search
 
Jason Schulman
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 08 July 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 2473
Posted: 16 December 2014 at 2:48pm | IP Logged | 12  

I've read that Liberace had a reputation for being a womanizer. (I know, I know, I know, how could anyone believe...well, "gay-dar" was not yet a "thing" back in ye olden days, was it? When I was a kid I thought Boy George just liked to play dress-up.)

As for Freddie Mercury, all I'll say is that I thought "Queen" was merely a British reference.

It's true that most crossdressers are heterosexual men who get a thrill from the act. (I think the scientific term is "autogynephilia.") Drag queens are a whole 'nother thing -- they're performers (actors), usually gay.


Back to Top profile | search
 

Page of 4 Next >>
  Post ReplyPost New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

 Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login