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John Byrne
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| Posted: 24 December 2014 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | 1
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Not shocked, but definitely depressed. Suggests widely disparate groups voting for the writers and the artists. Can't imagine how the same people who voted for those three could vote for George or me.
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Bob Harvey
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| Posted: 24 December 2014 at 3:09pm | IP Logged | 2
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Why is that? I'm a fan of their work and also of yours. I've seen more than a few positive posts about those writers on this forum, so my case is hardly unique.
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Robert Bradley
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Here is the complete list of writers. It is heavy skewed to current writers. Even more so than the artists.
I can best sum up my feeling this way. They have Mark Millar 19 spots higher than a Pulitzer Prize winner. And there is no way that Carl Barks should be 43rd on this list. His work as both a writer and an artist is timeless.
1 - Alan Moore
2 - Grant Morrison
3 - Neil Gaiman
4 - Frank Miller
5 - Stan Lee
6 - Chris Claremont
7 - Warren Ellis
8 - Brian K. Vaughan
9 - Mark Waid
10 - Geoff Johns
11 - Garth Ennis
12 - Ed Brubaker
13 - Brian Michael Bendis
14 - Peter David
15 - Kurt Busiek
16 - Jack Kirby
17 - Roy Thomas
18 - Roger Stern
19 - Denny O'Neil
20 - Jonathan Hickman
21 - John Byrne
22 - Matt Fraction
23 - Greg Rucka
24 - Jason Aaron
25 - Will Eisner
26 - Marv Wolfman
27 - Mark Millar
28 - Steve Gerber
29 - Brian Azzarello
30 - Robert Kirkman
31 - Scott Snyder
32 - Peter Milligan
33 - Rick Remender
34 - Jim Starlin
35 - Steve Englehart
36 - John Ostrander
37 - J.M. DeMatteis
38 - Jeff Lemire
39 - Walter Simonson
40 - Dan Slott
41 - Gail Simone
42 - Mike Mignola
43 - Carl Barks
44 - Keith Giffen
45 - Dave Sim
46 - art spiegelman
47 - Jaime Hernandez
48 - Kieron Gillen
49 - James Robinson
50 - Daniel Clowes
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Andrew W. Farago
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Joined: 19 July 2005
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| Posted: 24 December 2014 at 3:57pm | IP Logged | 4
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They have Mark Millar 19 spots higher than a Pulitzer Prize winner.
Again, it's a really funky list, with a lot of writers whose works aren't directly comparable to each other. Art Spiegelman wrote one of the best graphic novels of all time...but how much else? How do you compare that to Carl Barks's years of incredible comics aimed toward kids, or the three decades' worth of Love and Rockets that Jaime Hernandez has written (and where's Gilbert)?
Toss those names off the list and you've got mostly superhero guys, but keep those names on and you've got to start asking where Harvey Kurtzman and Harvey Pekar and Chris Ware are.
And how high on the list would Frank Miller be if he'd stopped writing Batman comics after Batman: Year One? I was surprised to see Warren Ellis so high on the list, too, since his output seems to have dropped off quite a bit in recent years.
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David Miller
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If the CBR list was calculated exclusively from top tens submitted by members of Byrnerobotics, I doubt Spiegelman would have placed at all. No point in lamenting it -- the audience is the audience. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Spiegelman, and think very highly of his body of work, like Raw, Arcade and Breakdowns, but he wouldn't make my top ten as a writer or an artist. If there was a poll of top comic book editors of all time, he'd be up there, though.
I'm gratified Jaime Hernandez, Dan Clowes, Chris Ware and Art Spiegelman hold at least some regard among fans. I am surprised Robert Crumb didn't make the list, nor any underground era cartoonist aside from Spiegelman.
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Jason Schulman
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Andrew and David have made it quite clear what an ill-conceived list this is. CBR should've made it clear that what they wanted was a list of SUPERHERO COMICS artists and SUPERHERO COMICS writers.
Then we wouldn't be asking where are Harvey Kurtzman, Chris Ware, Harvey Pekar, et al.
At least Steve Gerber made it onto the writers' list.
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James Howell
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| Posted: 25 December 2014 at 6:31pm | IP Logged | 7
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Any "Top 50" artist list that will leave out Michael Golden, is a crappy list.
Nothing to see here...
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