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James Johnson
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Also in 1984, Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau) was an Avenger.
Roger Stern did a WONDERFUL job with her.
Introducing her in Spider-Man. Bringing her in as an Averger-In-Training. Making her a full-time Avenger. Then as team leader.
All within a 4 year span.
Looking back, it would have been nice if Marvel would had given her a Limited Series (with Roger writing).
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I almost listed Captain Marvel, but didn't quite remember when she showed up. Robert Bradley's list cut off at 1975, and I wasn't sure if there were too many other major black characters introduced between then and Secret Wars.
She was a great character under Roger Stern, but I think one of the higher-ups didn't like her. He left the book rather than de-power her or have her suddenly become less competent and capable, and Walt Simonson immediately depowered her and wrote her out of the book when he took over The Avengers.
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Robert Bradley
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Some other significants by 1985 -
Black Talon Bushmaster (Serpent Society) Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau)Cloak Cottonmouth (Serpent Society) Darkoth Deathlok (forgot about him in the first list) Glory Grant (Spider-Man character) Living Monolith (Egyptian) Eddie March (former Iron Man replacement) Nekra (albino African-American) Phastos (Eternals) Sphinx (Egyptian) Sunspot (Brazilian)
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John Byrne
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Deathlok••• Hm. I recall his wife being Black, but wasn't he a White guy?
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Roy Johnson
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QUOTE:
| Deathlok ••• Hm. I recall his wife being Black, but wasn't he a White guy? |
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Yup. The grey guy was originally white. I think the name and wife threw people off.
The best thing I can find online right now is images of his clone:
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Bill Guerra
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All these years and I thought Deathlok was black! I figured the grayish skin tone was supposed to be "zombie-like" in appearance.
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Steven Myers
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Though this is an example of Shooter's clunky writing, I think it more Rhodey wondering if Reed knew Tony was the original and Rhodey a replacement. Kind of like "Did you know who used to be under the mask, or did you ever see his flesh at all? Have you realized I'm different?"
I don't think it's intended as a real race-related question. Or maybe that's just how I see it.
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Brad Krawchuk
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The original Deathlok was white (Luther Manning) but the 1990's version was black (Michael Collins).
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Paul Kimball
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I didn't have any problem with the dialogue but that's me.
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John Byrne
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I didn't have any problem with the dialogue but that's me.•• You're saying there IS a problem with the dialogue, then?
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Eric Smearman
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I remember reading it the way Steven Myers did: Rhodey was curious
as to whether Reed knew who Iron Man was (or who he was supposed
to be.).
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Chris Basken
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When I first read it as a kid (I was 12 or 13), I took it quite literally. Was Reed surprised that a fellow hero was black? Reed, being not-in-the-least racist and (I image) being held up as an example of how good and heroic people think, answered honestly that a person's skin color is a trivial matter not worth his attention.
I also got the sense the Rhodes felt kind of like the "new guy" among all these legendary heroes and might have been feeling a little insecure. Not necessarily BECAUSE of his skin color, more in a general way, but when you're feeling that way you tend to latch onto a specific feature.
At the time the dialogue didn't feel clunky to me, and somehow felt relevant. It's one of my more favorite "comic book moment' memories, actually.
Edited by Chris Basken on 07 March 2015 at 7:11pm
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