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Paul Go
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One of my favorite narrative captions approaches was in the early days of IRON FIST. "You are Iron Fist, and you are doing something. . . ."
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I liked that as well.
I liked the caption dialogue the first time I noticed it (which was the Wolverine mini-series). I felt it soon became overused.
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Covey Garmin
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A good example of the dynamic effect interesting to readers i just remembered was where in The Fantastic Four #260 Dr. Doom presenting his competitive confidence at Galactus' herald Tyros in speech baloons while they were in battle but shifting to a more cautionary shadow tone deduction after being stifled by Tyros in the fight Dr. Doom having to consider in his thought baloons his next necessary contigency.
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Jason Schulman
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I liked the caption dialogue the first time I noticed it (which was the Wolverine mini-series). I felt it soon became overused.
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Everyone wanted to be Frank Miller.
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John Popa
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Everyone wanted to be Frank Miller.
----- Didn't Chris Claremont write the Wolverine mini-series?
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Greg Kirkman
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A friend argues that Spider-Man is the "thought balloon"
exception because his "inner dialogue" is so important.
The self-doubt in his thoughts coupled with the
cockiness of his words when in costume combine to make
Spider-Man the character we love. If a story or cartoon
just depicted the "cocky" Spider-Man, without the
internal voice, would he be the same character?
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I'll side with your friend on that. I think thought balloons are vitally
important for Spider-Man. The movie versions of the character just
don't feel the same, since they don't get into his head. We get either the
occasional joke from Maguire's soft-spoken Spider-Man, or the cocky
Garfield Spider-Man.
I've occasionally wondered if it would be possible to successfully
employ voiceover in a Spider-Man film, so as to simulate the effect of
thought balloons. It would be tricky to pull off, but I think it could be
done. I think it could only really work for comedic effect, however, as
opposed to the dramatic, internal-drama-type stuff.
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Brian O'Neill
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Voiceover 'internal dialogue' in Marvel films would obscure all that 'kewl' incidental music and exploding sound effects.
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Wallace Sellars
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Covey, I almost immediately knew what had happened in that scene.
Even though I couldn't recall Doom ever pulling off anything like that in
the past, it still felt like something he could do.
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John Byrne
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Everyone wanted to be Frank Miller.----- Didn't Chris Claremont write the Wolverine mini-series? ••• Yes, and there's a bit of an amusing tale, there. Having been aware of the mountains of verbiage Chris piled into the panels of my X-MEN work, Miller decided to leave him LOTS of space. Chris, meanwhile, impressed be the terse writing in DAREDEVIL decided to try his hand at the same style. Result, acres of empty space, and legions of fans applauding Miller's new "minimalist" style. It was around this time I started asking how I could get the number of the devil to whom Miller had sold his soul, since he was clearly in a place where he could do NOTHING wrong!
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Flavio Sapha
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Stan Lee used thought balloons extremely well, IMO. Especially scripting the Ditko Spider-man and Doctor Strange.
One of his best tricks was writing the thought balloon in OPPOSITION of what was going on, thus showing that what the characters thought/felt was not what they were required to express.
Without anguished thought balloons there's no Peter Parker for me!
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Jason Schulman
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Didn't Chris Claremont write the Wolverine mini-series?
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Yes, but as JB just said, Claremont imitated Miller's writing style in that series.
Even Chris Claremont wanted to be Frank Miller.
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Brian Hague
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Wallace, the mind-transfer trick Doom employs in that issue goes all the way back to issue #10 of the Fantastic Four in which Doom switched minds with Mr. Fantastic. Doom had been adrift in space following his previous defeat and rescued by a race of beings called the Ovoids. They taught himtheir secrets of mind transference and then sent him back to Earth*. Thanks, Ovoids.
* In much the same way the Antosians taught Captain Garth the secret of physical transformation, although in Garth's case it was to save his life.
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Greg Kirkman
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* In much the same way the Antosians taught Captain Garth the secret
of physical transformation, although in Garth's case it was to save his
life.
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Lord Garth!
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