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Robert LaGuardia
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When it comes to abortion rights I may agree with you, but that's not my
issue. It's the dumpster. That's such a callous act when there are other
options.
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Eric Ladd
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I can see why she panicked when she had a premature miscarriage. I think it this is a travesty and agree that it amounts to her having a miscarriage, disposing of the fetus improperly and then seeking medical attention. I don't think the punishment fits the actions at all.
I have known women that miscarried on the toilet in their 8th week. Are they criminals deserving of a lighter sentence? Perhaps only 5-8 years? She seems to have received a year of prison for each week the fetus gestated.
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Richard Stevens
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Once again, it becomes necessary to play the uterus card: if you don't have one, you have nothing to say.
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Couldn't say it better than that.
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Brian O'Neill
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Robert La Guardia When it comes to abortion rights I may agree with you, but that's not my
issue. It's the dumpster. That's such a callous act when there are other
options.*****
I agree.
JB:
Once again, it becomes necessary to play the uterus card: if you don't have one, you have nothing to say. ****
Richard Stevens:
Couldn't say it better than that.
**** Do any women post here? Maybe this topic should be reserved for them.
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Michael Roberts
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Do you feel it is callous when women who miscarry into the toilet panic and flush it down? My understanding is that it is not uncommon. Do you feel it is callous when hospitals dispose of miscarriages with medical waste? That's what they do before 21 weeks. I'm not going to judge someone who suffered the trauma of a miscarriage and was living in fear of being ostracized from her family. Putting a live baby in a dumpster? Sure, that's horrible. Disposing of a dead fetus? She didn't make the best choice, but would have doing things differently made a difference?
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Philippe Negrin
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Exactly Michael. I don't know where the wave of religious extremism rising everywhere on the planet is going to take us, but I don't want to be there...
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Philippe Negrin
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And Robert -> not a baby.
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Robert LaGuardia
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Michael, those are good questions.
A woman who flushes a miscarriage doesn't have the opportunity to
correct her mistake( if she does consider it a mistake), this woman did.
This woman also initially lied to the hospital about her pregnancy. This
isn't a 15 year old, this is a 33 year old woman. Panicking is
understandable but at a certain point she had to make a decision on
whether to do the right thing or not. Being ostracized from her family
should have crossed her mind before she had the affair.
Phillipe-I disagree.
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Vinny Valenti
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Wait, why is it a "mistake" to flush a miscarriage? I mean, sure it
would be prudent to see a doctor afterwards to make sure the
woman has no other health complications. But I don't see any
moral dilemma here. She had no control over the death of the
fetus.
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Robert LaGuardia
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I didn't say flushing a miscarriage was a mistake of not, I'm just trying to
make the comparison to this case.
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Erin Anna Leach
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Indiana is in a bit of a hot spot right now for their religious freedom law. I hope the feticide law comes under attack next. I find it disturbing that the Governor of Indiana wouldn't listen to the people about the religious freedom law, but did listen the second some major corporations said they wouldn't do business in Indiana because of the law. It shows me who the politicians really respect and listen too.
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Steve De Young
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Interesting to note that this is the first woman to ever be charged with feticide. Meaning that typically its men who are charged with it. It seems to me that either a fetus is a human being or it isn't. Who it is that decides to kill it doesn't make any difference in terms of what it is. A woman wanting it or not wanting it doesn't make a difference in what it is.
To quote Steve Ditko, A=A.
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