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Brian Rhodes
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"My specific argument about whether the specific wedding album of photos could be considered a comic book cannot be extended in the way you are doing."
If can't be done, how did I do it?
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Peter Martin
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OK, let me be more explicit. My argument, specific to the context in which it was given, cannot be extended FOR ME in order to create a general rule for all contexts.
Yes, you extended it to a general rule for you to argue against. Unfortunately, no one made that general rule for you to argue against apart from yourself. Well done.
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Stephen Churay
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whether any wedding album can be
considered a comic book would, for me,
depend on the photos, and whether it's
laid out to read graphically as a story. I
would think that most wedding albums do
not constitute a comic book. But, is it
possible that a series of wedding photos
in a photo album could be collected to
make a comic, then I would say yes.
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Peter Martin
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Wise words again. I'd like to think that's similar to what I said.
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Kip Lewis
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I would add one more thing to whether a photo album is a
comic book--laid out graphically to tell a story, plus
it has to be in a magazine format too. Format, like
Steven said, is a key part in a comic book.
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Stephen Churay
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I would add one more thing to whether a
photo album is a
comic book--laid out graphically to tell a
story, plus
it has to be in a magazine format too.
Format, like
Steven said, is a key part in a comic
book.
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Why, don't we consider tpb and hardcover
collectons and graphic novels, comics?
They're not in magazine format.
What about online comic books, are they
not comics because you read them on a
screen?
Am I getting too hung up on the word
"comics" and others getting caught up on
the word "book"? Right now, that's the
impression I'm getting. If that's the
case, go back and reread JB's original
post. To me, the original discussion was
about content, not it's format.
But since the word book is listed, I'd
say, it has to be portable. Not easily
portable, just portable. So, a stone
tablet could be a comic BOOK, but not a
cave painting. While a cave painting could
be a comic, it would gave a hard time
being a comic book.
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Steve De Young
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Further confusing the definition of a comic book:
I just bought Chuck Palahniuk's new book of short stories. Inside the back flap it advertises Fight Club 2, which he's writing as a comic book mini-series from Dark Horse.
However, in the ad, it refers to Fight Club 2 as "a new graphic novel, serialized monthly".
Whahuh?
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Stephen Churay
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I don't think it confuses the definition at all. This seems to be a case
of the author embarrassed to call a comic book what it is, so he
describes it in a way that he thinks makes it seem more high brow.
I find it kinda pompous.
It's a comic book!
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Kip Lewis
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How do you know that the author created
the ad? It could very well be a Dark Horse
produced advertisement. ( From his
description I am assuming the ad is not
just a blurb the author wrote but an
official ad.)
Edited by Kip Lewis on 25 May 2015 at 5:18am
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Stephen Churay
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Your correct Kip, it was just an
assumption of mine.
The rest still stands, though,
If Dark Horse did create the ad, then not
only do I find it pompous, but really sad
too.
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Brian Rhodes
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Unfortunately, no one made that general rule for you to argue against apart from yourself.
I'm arguing against MYself??
You put forth a premise and then proceeded to discuss the shakiness of said premise.
"If a wedding album is put together with the intention of telling a narrative and the pictures truly tell the story sequentially, rather than just being loosely chronological, then it is a form of comic book."
"Inclusion of photos that are not expressly part of a narrative therefore serve to undermine the already shaky case of the album being a comic book to the point that it cannot be considered a comic book."
And I'm not arguing anything. Just asking questions. "If this doesn't make a comic book, then why does this?" or vice versa. Actual definition would be problematic (clearly). And, ultimately, unnecessary.
Perhaps U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart said it best: "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description, and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But, I know it when I see it...."
He was talking about hardcore pornography (which you can find in some comic books), but it's apt.
When I look at my wife's scrapbooks, I don't feel like I'm looking at comic books. And I'm fairly certain I'm not looking at hardcore pornography.
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Fairly certain?!?
Your wife's scrapbooks sound far more interesting than any
I've seen.
As far as a wedding album being a comic book, it really
does come down to, you'll know it when you see it. It's in
the storytelling, which I still believe is the true artform
of a comic book. More so than the rendering ability of the
artist.
I guess something like a wedding album could be a comic
book, just by accident, if the photographer was really
picture happy. But I'm more inclined to believe that if you
want the photos to graphically tell a story instead of just
capturing moments, it's going to take some planning. Not a
bad idea to attempt, though.
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