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Brian Miller
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OK, a question for you guys: Does anyone know what Miller's timeline is for Elektra? I've seen where he intended ELEKTRA: ASSASSIN to be set before her DAREDEVIL appearances, but I have no idea where ELEKTRA LIVES AGAIN is supposed to go. Is it after BORN AGAIN or before it. Logically, it should be after DAREDEVIL 190, but beyond that, I have no idea. Any ideas?
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Robert LaGuardia
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I've never really thought about this. My first reaction was to say it
comes after Born Again, but I don't think there's anything in either book
to set a definite timeline so I guess it's up to personal taste. On one
hand I like Born Again as the finale to Miller's DD but a part of me also
likes having ELA as that finale, forming a nice bookend with Miller's first
written DD which introduced Elektra.
I love Elektra Lives Again. It's my favorite phase of Miller's art( even
though I detect a helping hand from Geoff Darrow) and it's the best
coloring job I've ever seen in a comic.
Edited by Robert LaGuardia on 30 May 2015 at 11:12am
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Brian Miller
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Yeah, he really left the ink work open for Varley in that one. A wonderful meshing of the two.
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Andrew W. Farago
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I hadn't really thought about it before, but the end of Born Again feels so much like the conclusion of Daredevil's story that Elektra Lives Again should precede it. Matt and Foggy are still partners, which wasn't the case from Born Again through about issue 300 or so (not that Miller probably paid attention to anyone else's work when he was doing his stories).
Start with Man Without Fear as DD's origin, with Elektra: Assassin taking place alongside it; then you've got all the regular series through the end of Miller's run, DD #190. The Frank Miller-universe Daredevil has some additional adventures that we don't see, then a few years down the road, Elektra Lives Again happens. A couple more years pass, again with some Daredevil adventures that we don't see (including Daredevil: Love and War, which we do see), then DD: Born Again happens, and the Miller-universe Daredevil retires with Karen Page, and they live happily ever after.
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Brian Miller
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Excellent. Good catch re: Matt and Foggy. Don't think I've noticed that before.
I'm reading Love and War right now, so I'll hit ELA after that. Apparently, Miller wrote a handful of issues just prior to Born Again, so I've got the TPB en route via Amazon. I should get it by the time I finish these two then I can slide right into it then BA.
Thanks for the help, guys.
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Bob Harvey
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Well...I'm not too sure that Elektra:Assassin is intended to fit into any sort of continuity, as it ends up with [SPOILERS] the world on the brink of nuclear annihilation. I mean, is Ken WInd really supposed to have been the President of the Marvel Universe's United States at some point in the 80s?
Otherwise, I agree with all of Andrew's points. There's no way Lives Again comes last.
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It's been, quite literally, decades since I read
ELEKTRA: ASSASSIN, but I was always under the
impression that it was never really in continuity, that
it was kind of a Kennedy/Bay of Pigs allegory?
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INVISO TEXT (Click or highlight to reveal):
Didn't it end with the older
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Elektra: Assassin, being an Epic book, is definitely askew from the mainstream Marvel Universe, where I'd guess some version of it happened. Or maybe not quite, since there was a lot of weird mental manipulation happening in that book, and all we really need to know is that Elektra was really busy in between college and her reunion with Matt Murdock.
The last page of Born Again, though...that's got to be the end of Miller's Daredevil, if not the character altogether.
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It takes place before Born Again. There's a scene where Matt calls Karen and (it's been a while since I've read this) she says something about making movies, and I think she's at some sort of party.
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Yeah you guys are right, Born Again should come last. I was recently in
a discussion abou the inevitable adaptation of Born Again for the TV
show and how it should come no sooner than season 4. Thiinking
more about it I realized it would make a killer final season.
Edited by Robert LaGuardia on 01 June 2015 at 5:54am
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Marc, that is indeed what happens in Elektra:Assassin. (A neutered version of that SHIELD agent showed up on the TV show last season.) Wind definitely reads as a Kennedy analogue, but he also defeats Reagan in the election.
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Miller said in interviews at the time that Elektra Lives Again takes place
Marvel time, a year before the Daredevil. Love and War GN. That was
originally intended as a couple of fill-in issues of the regular series.
When it was decided to release the story as a GN, Miller wrote another
fill-in illustrated by John Buscema, Daredevil 219.
So Elektra Lives Again takes place between Daredevil 191 and 219,
Daredevil Love and War around Daredevil 219 and Elektra Assassin,
after her encounter with the Hand before Daredevil 168.
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