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James Woodcock
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“You look at the early comic books of Spider-Man and what was so great about what Stan Lee and Steve Ditko did was they said what if one of the most powerful heroes we have is a high school kid who also has to do homework and isn't a billionaire, or isn't a genius scientist, or isn't a trained assassin, or isn't another scientist who had an accident but is a kid?” Feige explained

“Peter Parker has stepped up,” writer Dan Slott says. “He’s grown. He’s become the Peter Parker we’ve always hoped he was going to be. This company, with Peter’s inventions and Peter’s gumption has gone to new heights.”
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Can you at least give some context? It sounds like these two may be talking about completely different Spider-Man projects.
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The are -- but I'll bet they don't think they are.

Slott, of course, expresses the all too common fannish position the Change Is Good! And a quick review of the last forty years or so shows us how well that has worked out!

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It NEVER ceases to amaze me how so many people think of Peter Parker as ordinary: it's established in his very first adventure that he's a science whiz -- probably a genius.

And he's smart enough to invent gadgets to supplement his power; he's not the Amazing Leaping Spider-Man, after all.

A mindset that actually devotes itself to invention is also outstanding: so many people would rather be sheep/consumers than leaders/producers.

My reading is that Peter would have been extraordinary even without the powers. Also, when Ben told Peter him about "with great power ... responsibility", Ben was speaking of Peter's intellect, not his mutation.

Peter is not ordinary, but his life and circumstances prior to his mutation were.
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They are positioning Miles Morales to be the teenage Spider-Man, so they are turning Peter into Tony Stark. 
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My reading is that Peter would have been extraordinary even without the powers. Also, when Ben told Peter him about "with great power ... responsibility", Ben was speaking of Peter's intellect, not his mutation.

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That's not how it plays in the original story.

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"Stepped up" Spider-man
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This Spider-Man can "Step Off, ya mimbo". A few years ago I thought the shark had been jumped when Stark made the Spider-Armor. Now we have jumped back over Bruce in the other direction with Peter creating his own company. For Dog's sake, it's even called Parker Industries?! How similar can we get. Oh wait, the article tells us it will be just like Stark Industries with less angst. Oh joy!
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Yep. In the real world, inventing webshooters and spider-tracers at home with little to no resources would make him a peerless genius, but as originally presented, he is the smart kid at school.

I would say he was intended to strike a familiar note with younger readers, not be so brilliant that he is in fact outside the realms of the reader's experience.

And then he's bitten by a radioactive spider.

Excitement and adventure ensues.
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Spider-Man to be explained as being the bodyguard of Peter Parker. Where do they get these ideas? So inventive. 
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As much as I hate the idea of Spider-Man being a legacy hero (and the idea of legacy heroes in general), I've come around to the idea that Spider-Man really only works as a teenager/young adult. Once Peter was aged past a certain point, the original concept of Spider-Man was broken, and short of a CRISIS-style reboot, there's no unringing of that bell. So might as well bring in an actual teenage Spider-Man and let Peter graduate into Tony Stark than continue trying to write Peter as an adult with adolescent problems. 
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short of a CRISIS-style reboot


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That's what they're doing right now. Unfortunately they seem to be using it as an excuse to drift further and further from how the characters should be instead of closer.
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I hope you don't mind as this is slightly off topic but I wonder why Stan, et al had Peter Parker invent web shooters instead of him being able to produce webs organically? I might be answering my own question, here, but I wonder if it was only just to show he is a genius? 
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I hope you don't mind as this is slightly off topic but I wonder why Stan, et al had Peter Parker invent web shooters instead of him being able to produce webs organically? I might be answering my own question, here, but I wonder if it was only just to show he is a genius? 
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IMO Spider-Man is unique in that his super powers are only half of what makes him a hero, the other half is his brain. He's a hybrid of the Batman no power archetype and the traditional super hero archetype. 
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So, basically, Marvel turned Peter Parker into Tony Stark?

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I hope you don't mind as this is slightly off topic but I wonder why Stan, et al had Peter Parker invent web shooters instead of him being able to produce webs organically? I might be answering my own question, here, but I wonder if it was only just to show he is a genius?

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A whole raft of problems are unleashed by organic webshooters. Steve ( most likely) took a look at how spiders produce webbing, and saw it would not be at all convenient for the development of the character. Too many questions, like where in his body does he store all this fluid? How fast does he produce it? What happens if he runs out? Not to mention why the "shooters" are at the ends of his arms, not where they are on real spiders. (Add to this that spiders do not "shoot" their webbing, they play it out slowly.)

These were questions the Sam Raimi movies "solved" by ignoring them. Movie audiences, after all, tend not to ask such questions. Call a guy "Spider-Man" and have him walk thru walls, and most civilians wont even blink.

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I never saw Peter creating his web shooters as having a well thought out meaning. Web shooters were desired and thus wrote Peter created web shooters. Technology was created as needed without thought to how difficult or impossible it would be to create outside of a comic book reality.
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I guess it was natural that if you gave Marvel long enough they would become DC.  Legacy characters, multiple realities, etc.
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Thank you, Mr Byrne. I find the thought process into creating characters very interesting. To be honest,as a kid, I wouldn't even think to have the problems you mentioned answered, I'd have taken Spider-Man as he is but my adult mind got the better of me.
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These quotes are from two people on two separate projects.

Feige is talking about putting Spider-Man into his Marvel movies.

Slott is talking about his comics.

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JAMES: So, basically, Marvel turned Peter Parker into Tony
Stark?

SER: Yeah, he's unrecognizable from the Lee/Ditko/Romitta
character. I think I've finally accepted that and just
enjoy the (finite) run from the 1960s.

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Mark Haslett asked for context.

Well, to me doesn't matter whether they are talking about two different projects. It was a compare and contrast between two descriptions of Spider-Man.

One, the driving force is that he's a kid with incredible abilities.
The other, that he needs to realise his potential and become Tony Stark.

One sounds about right, the other .....


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"The are -- but I'll bet they don't think they are. Slott, of course, expresses the all too common fannish position the Change Is Good! And a quick review of the last forty years or so shows us how well that has worked out!"

To be fair, Mr. Byrne, didn't a lot of your best runs of Marvel/DC Comics start with a premise of "Change is Good!"

The Hulk and Bruce Banner get separated.

Namor uses the wealths of the oceans to become a major mogul.

Superman's origins from Krypton through Smallville through Metropolis get changed and over hauled.

She-Hulk becomes a break-the-fourth-wall style of comedy book.

And so on...

Reasonable comparisons, right?
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"The are -- but I'll bet they don't think they are. Slott, of course, expresses the all too common fannish position the Change Is Good! And a quick review of the last forty years or so shows us how well that has worked out!"

To be fair, Mr. Byrne, didn't a lot of your best runs of Marvel/DC Comics start with a premise of "Change is Good!"

•• Let's take these one at a time, shall we?

The Hulk and Bruce Banner get separated.

•• And that was intended to be permanent? No.

Namor uses the wealths of the oceans to become a major mogul.

•• Which he'd done before, with Stan and Jack at the helm.

Superman's origins from Krypton through Smallville through Metropolis get changed and over hauled.

•• Which had happened many times before and since, and didn't change the character.

She-Hulk becomes a break-the-fourth-wall style of comedy book.

•• Which didn't change the character.

And so on...

•• Such as?

Reasonable comparisons, right?

•• You seem to think so. There's the problem in a nutshell.

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I quite like the idea of Peter using his smarts to make some actual gains for once. I know there's a tendency to always want to paint him as that eternal high school loser figure, but too much doom and gloom can get really wearying after a while. This sounds like a way to have some original adventures, and maybe even get some more humour from seeing Pete being outside of his usual comfort zone..


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