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Professor X might not be able to affect Thor but he could prod Hulk into attacking Thor, thus tying up both of them (at least temporarily). The X-Men might stand a better chance against the Avengers than it might seem, but Thor IS a huge tactical problem.

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Again, THOR! Even the Hulk could not stand against the power the Odinson can unleash.

I think you guys have been conditioned by literally generations of these characters not using their powers logically. Takes me back to the days on X-MEN, when it seemed I was constantly arguing with Chris over whether or not Cyclops could miss. With a beam that goes where he's looking, at the speed of light? Nuh-uh!!

To make these battles seem more dramatic, characters are often set much lower in power and ability than they actually are. (The old line that the Avengers and the JLA routinely battle foes each member could defeat on his/her own in her/his own title.)

To answer the question posed by this thread, we must address each character operating at FULL POTENTIAL, or the exercise is meaningless.

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"they know they could easily end up killing each other or causing some horrifying collateral damage (and fatalities among bystanders)."
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Something we've seen once or twice in JB's work.


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JB, looking at that page from FF 250, I see that whereas Jim Salicrup was usually just listed as Editor, here he is listed as Plot Editor, and Tom DeFalco is added as Script Editor.
Why?  And what did each one of them do for this issue that was different from a usual issue?
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With Cap as the leader and with Thor as the power
player, the Avengers are hard to beat.

If we're talking "Issue 1" era, Cap's not a factor.

Still, the Avengers...even if Professor X "pushed" everyone else to fight Thor, he could warp them all out to another realm with Mjolnir...til everyone calmed down...


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JB, looking at that page from FF 250, I see that whereas Jim Salicrup was usually just listed as Editor, here he is listed as Plot Editor, and Tom DeFalco is added as Script Editor.

Why? And what did each one of them do for this issue that was different from a usual issue?

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I have no recollection. Since Salicrup, as Editor, was plot editor every month, I can only assume Shooter ordered some messing with the script. Too long ago to matter, now!

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That would leave Reed needing a gadget to shut down Iron Man's armor--like a miniature EMP--but then, does Reed know that the armor keeps Tony alive?

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Iron Man's suit wasn't sealed at the time, right? Reed could probably slip an arm in there and turn things off or unhook the power.
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Reed could probably slip an arm in there and turn things off or unhook the power.
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Not when Iron Man is 2000 feet up and repulsoring the arse off him.
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At this time was Thor actually Thor or we was he Don Blake with the power of Thor?
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Tough call. Stan and Jack started introducing the Asgardian elements very early on, and the villain of that first AVENGERS was Loki.

Now we range into retcon territory, of course!

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Could early Thor open up dimensional portals or was that added and retracted later in his history?
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"Don Blake Thor" couldn't do anything that powerful, IIRC. He pretty much stayed on Earth (fighting Commie dictators and the like). The "Real Thor" could do those things. He also had Odin as a father, Tales of Asgard backups, etc.
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The Thor we saw as of AVENGERS #1 wasn't nearly as powerful as he later became (something we can say of all these folks). As far as we knew, he was a man imbued with the power of a god--who was hampered by needing his walking stick and didn't quite know his capabilities.

As a genuine Norse god, he's a few levels above where he was when Don Blake was running the show.
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