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Michael Penn
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Pilgrim simply, obviously has a much broader meaning than you're willing to admit, JB. That's your problem, word-stickler.
Edited by Michael Penn on 27 November 2015 at 8:25am
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John Byrne
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Lower-case "pilgrim" can have many meanings. Upper-case "Pilgrim," not so much!
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Steven Myers
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Not a great analogy. But the myth of the Pilgrims is more believed than the truth. Kinda like most people think Columbus proved the Earth was round when he landed in America.
We've a horrible record on refugees and immigration. I remember when people wanted to ban all immigrants...but openly praised those defecting from Communist countries! The Syrians just need to defect!
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Steve De Young
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If you think the stuff guys like Trump say about immigrants from Latin America is bad, go read the stuff directed at the Irish and the Italians from the 19th century by politicians. Or the stuff directed at the Chinese on the west coast. The stuff's hair-raising.
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Robert Cosgrove
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"We've a horrible record on refugees and immigration"
Agreed, but I suspect for reasons that differ from yours. From a piece by present immigration policy critic Senator Jeff Sessions:
In 1965, Congress passed a new immigration law which helped produce an unprecedented wave of low-skilled immigration. The foreign-born population more than quadrupled, from fewer than 10 million in 1970 to more than 42 million today. In 1970, fewer than 1 in 21 residents were foreign-born, today it is approaching 1 in 7. . . .
Assuming no law is passed to reduce immigration, the Census Bureau estimates that, in less than eight years' time, the percentage of US residents born in a foreign country will be the highest level in our history. And the bureau estimates--again, assuming Congress does not reduce immigration rates--that the foreign-born population share will keep rising to new all-time records for as long as they can project.
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Peter Martin
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1991 green card recipients: 1.8 million2013 green card recipients: 990,500
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Robert Cosgrove
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Right.
But you cherry picked 1991, which was a bit of an outlier, as was 1990 with 1,535, 872. How about 1979 with a mere 394, 244? Or 1980, with 524, 295? Or 1981 with 595, 014? Or 1982 with 533, 624? Or skip up, if you prefer, to 1992 with 973, 445? Or 1995, with 720, 177? It's only since 2005 that we've consistently exceeded 1,000,000, with 2013 barely missing that number.
By the way, what are Canada's numbers on immigration?
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Peter Martin
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You posted suggesting that a law passed in 1965 produced a wave of immigration. I gave figures showing the opposite of an increasing trend. What you call cherry picking, I call drawing a line through the apex. From the apex, it is naturally a declining trend.
The relevance to this of Canadian immigration numbers is what exactly?
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James Reese
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Do illegal immigran- er, sorry, undocumented immigrants receive green cards? This is rhetorical.
If you include them in the analysis, I'd be surprised if "immigration" into the US hasn't drastically increased in the last several decades.
Edited by James Reese on 27 November 2015 at 9:49pm
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Michael Murphy
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JB, you are 100% correct in your assessment of the presidents remarks.Unfortunately, I think the public at large is not educated enough about history to understand this.
Edited by Michael Murphy on 27 November 2015 at 10:44pm
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John Byrne
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Do illegal immigran- er, sorry, undocumented immigrants receive green cards? This is rhetorical.•• This leaves me wondering if you understand the meaning of the words "undocumented" and "rhetorical."
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John Byrne
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Or 1981 with 595, 014?•• One of whom was me!
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