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John Byrne
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Posted: 26 November 2015 at 11:45am | IP Logged | 1
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From ABC News:"President Obama used his weekly address to appeal to families counting their blessings on Thanksgiving, reminding Americans that the holiday isn’t only about turkey but a tribute to the deep immigration history that led to the nation’s founding." 'In 1620, a small band of pilgrims came to this continent, refugees who had fled persecution and violence in their native land,' Obama says. 'Nearly 400 years later, we remember their part in the American story – and we honor the men and women who helped them in their time of need.' " I am not a fan of this analogy. The Pilgrims brought to this continent much of the trouble that vexes America to this day. After all, as many so often forget, they "fled" Europe because they thought things were getting too LAX over there!!
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Michael Casselman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 November 2015 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | 2
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At least keep the talking points consistant... isn't it now the coy take on Pilgrims that they came over and took great efforts to kill the native inhabitants? I'm sure that would quell any fears held by those fearful of stealth ISIS terrorists hiding amongst the refugees.
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Brian O'Neill Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 November 2015 at 12:26pm | IP Logged | 3
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Obama is pissed off at Americans who are still clinging to their...desire that ISIS assholes not enter the country. How contrary of us.I mean, LOOK, Mr. President...you're a lame duck. Act like one, and step away from the microphone. You pardoned the turkey, maybe he'll pardon you for being so insistent on this issue.
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 November 2015 at 4:57pm | IP Logged | 4
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President Obama should be embarrassed to play up this Pilgrim myth, just for itself, but to use it as a metaphor for modern Syrian refugees is straight out goofy.
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Steve De Young Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 November 2015 at 4:58pm | IP Logged | 5
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They weren't fleeing persecution. They fled persecution in England and went to the Netherlands, where everything was fine, but the second generation was growing up speaking Dutch and learning Dutch instead of English customs, so they came to the 'New World' in order to attempt to create the ideal, English-speaking theocracy they envisioned in their minds.
...huh. Maybe the Republicans are more in tune with the founders of this country than I thought...
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 November 2015 at 5:06pm | IP Logged | 6
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Obama is just toting an old line -- back in 2011, e.g.:
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James Reese Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 November 2015 at 7:06pm | IP Logged | 7
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Meanwhile, Hillary vowed to never use the term "illegal immigrants" ever again and is going with "undocumented" from now on.
Edited by James Reese on 26 November 2015 at 7:07pm
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John Byrne
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Posted: 26 November 2015 at 8:21pm | IP Logged | 8
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This is a great way to lower the crime statistics! No more stealing, just "spontaneous property reassignment." Murder is "unlicensed viability termination." Rape becomes "unilateral arousal gratification."Problem solved!
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 November 2015 at 10:54pm | IP Logged | 9
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Newspeak?
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Robert Bradley Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 27 November 2015 at 12:28am | IP Logged | 10
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Electionspeak.
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Brian O'Neill Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 27 November 2015 at 2:36am | IP Logged | 11
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Garbagespeak.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 27 November 2015 at 6:10am | IP Logged | 12
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Obama is just toting an old line…•• There is a difference between refugees and illegal aliens, of course. Refugees are normally invited into a country, as a humanitarian act. That New Yorker cover misses the important detail that the Pilgrims did not enter an established Nation with laws governing immigration.
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