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Brian Miller
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They've been saying for months that Vader is in it. He supposedly has a pretty big role and we're going to see some mano a mano battles with him.
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Listen, I don't wanna be that guy, but I'd just like to point something out.

The underlying vibe of THE FORCE AWAKENS--for me, at least--came down to two key factors:

A. "Apologizing" for the prequels.

B. Nostalgia-milking the original trilogy.


Yes, including Vader is a logical move, given the time period and the nature of the story being told. However, I can't help but get the feeling that this is maybe-sorta-kinda more apologizing for the prequels. A lot of fans had hoped that the prequels would feature Vader running around (in the suit) and killing people, rather than what ended up being his much-maligned cameo at the very end of EPISODE III. Also, Vader has become the poster boy for the entire series, and it seems inevitable that Disney would find a way to bring him back, since there's still money to be made off of his popularity.


This brave, new Disney Era of STAR WARS keeps bringing to mind a particular phrase: Never give the fans what they think they want..

Not to say that I'm particularly pessimistic about this film...yet. Just voicing my concerns.
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 12:04pm | IP Logged | 3  

What are the odds that he will be far more powerful than we saw in Star Wars?
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Peter, If you mean the original movie, 100%.  He was much more powerful in Empire.  I think a clearer idea of how powerful is on SW: Rebels.

And Greg, from Disney's perspective, we might append the "Never give the fans what they think they want." phrase with "or you'll make 2 billion dollars."
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When I say Star Wars, I mean the original movie. I understand the confusion because Star Wars now means a wider thing, but I can only call the original movie by its real name... which is Star Wars.
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'Celebration Reel': LINK
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Jeebus!  1:07?  That's IN CAMERA!!?

I would kindly request to know how that was done.

Also liked the "too respectful" quote that immediately follows.

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It's gotta be some kind of projected cyclorama?  But how could they make it so bright and contrasty?


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It's pretty amazing, isn't it? The reflection on the floor shows it's actually there (and there appears to be no post special effects anywhere in the clip). Begs the classic question "How did they do that?"

The Force Awakens made claims of a return to practical effects (but  seemed to consist to a very large degree of seamlessly good CGI in actuality, not that it made much difference when the CGI was that good), but this really does seem to be done on a crazy scale of actually building the stuff for the cameras to shoot.

Look at the stuff at 2.07... Real animatronic face? Really travelling past the trees? I'd assume they had to have added some post stuff there.
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There are really large 4k screens out there now that photograph amazingly well. It could literally be a giant screen they are looking at.
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I can't see what else it could possibly be.  Considering that there's a stage light in the shot shining right at the camera also suggests this projection is very bright indeed.

The shot at 2:07 Peter notes is probably done the same way?  I can only imagine how much the actors appreciate being able to see actual stuff instead of a sea of green.  

I recall one of Harrison Ford's wishlist items for TFA (which he got) were switches on the Falcon which actually worked.  On the original movie, broken switches were a lot cheaper to buy than working ones, so that's what they got.  So when he flipped a switch, it would flop back...  

No idea if Rogue One will be any good, but there's no denying an incredibly high level of production values.

PS  Felicity Jones has the "adorable" chromosome.
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The underlying vibe of THE FORCE AWAKENS--for me, at least--came down
to two key factors:

A. "Apologizing" for the prequels.

B. Nostalgia-milking the original trilogy.

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I will have to see it again, the 2nd one for sure but I didn't get that the vibe
of the 1st one at all
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Maybe not so much in the film proper, true. But, the marketing and interviews definitely dance around that first notion without quite saying it. That's what I was referring to.

Lots of references and comments that essentially boil down to "we're getting back to the 'real' STAR WARS", the emphasis on practical effects vs. CGI overload, etc.
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Some promo stuff on ABC news: LINK
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New trailer will debut this Thursday during the NBC Olympic coverage.
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Some high res images from the film: LINK
 
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Watched the Olympic trailer.  I'm in the "this movie didn't need Darth Vader" camp, but it still looks like it could be okay. 


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Trailer:



Cautiously optimistic. Aside from the fact that the this looks to be essentially a nostalgia-milking prequel, this looks more along the lines of what I'd hoped TFA would be--new characters, new look, new style. 
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Not sure if I liked seeing that one high angle shot of The Deathstar in orbit over the planet... It made the DS seem rather smaller in comparison to the one in NEW HOPE, when it was going around the massive Yavin gas giant planet.

Also, I think the Deathstar main laser dish being installed in these trailers is moving at a very high velocity...

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I say the following without the slightest amount of snark, just as an analysis: If this is any indication of the tone Gareth Edwards originally intended, I can see why it needed what turned out to be five weeks (almost half a movie's worth) of reshoots.
It looks Grim and Gritty.  It looks like a Bourne movie if Bourne were set in the Star Wars Universe.  I can see why Disney would have a problem with it.

Greg>> this looks more along the lines of what I'd hoped TFA would be--new characters, new look, new style.<<

Yup.  Luke and Vader's hat had  waaaay too much screen-time in TFA.  ;)

And isn't there a level of irony of accusing a Star Wars movie of milking nostalgia?  The original was precisely that.  All they've done is change what they are nostalgic about.  The original was Lucas being nostalgic for the B movies of his youth, from 30+ years before.  Today, 30+ years before means Star Wars.
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Greg>> this looks more along the lines of what I'd hoped TFA would be--new characters, new look, new style.<<

Yup.  Luke and Vader's hat had  waaaay too much screen-time in TFA.  ;)

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You know what I mean! TFA's characters by and large follow the pattern set by the old movies--desert-dwelling kid who becomes a Jedi, Cute Robot, Sith Lord Big Bad, etc.

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And isn't there a level of irony of accusing a Star Wars movie of milking nostalgia?  The original was precisely that.  All they've done is change what they are nostalgic about.  The original was Lucas being nostalgic for the B movies of his youth, from 30+ years before.  Today, 30+ years before means Star Wars.
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Yeah, but it's not like STAR WARS made use of the specific characters, music, tropes, etc. from, say, FLASH GORDON in order to lure people in. It was its own thing--a synthesis of/homage to a lot of different sources that proved greater than the sum of its parts.

STAR WARS captured the spirit of B-movie adventure that people remembered from its various inspirations. The nostalgia-hook of these new movies is more like, "Oh, look, it's Han and Chewie! X-Wings! Vader!" 

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Re: trailer- ...Interesting...
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I liked it. I'm escited for it.

That shot of them shooting up at the AT-AT was awesome!

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Love it! I'm so in!
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I was pretty disinterested in it until this trailer, and my turnaround is pretty extreme.  Something about the shot of the Star Destroyer hovering over (lets call it) Masada speaks to me on a deep and fundamental level.
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