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John Byrne
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 9:11am | IP Logged | 1
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How is that misleading? The denser the population, the closer one is likely to be to a facility that provides abortions.
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Robbie Parry Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 June 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 12186
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 11:18am | IP Logged | 2
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I couldn't believe it when this story showed up on my Facebook page last night. Land of the free? :/
And, yes, I concur with what has been said: it's a shame that they aren't as concerned about life when it comes to people being shot due to the availability of guns.
I'm no legal expert, but wouldn't this be unconstitutional in many ways?
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 11:23am | IP Logged | 3
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The denser the population, the closer one is likely to be to a facility that provides abortions.
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Yes but that's true of everything. Someone living in a sparsely populated area would have to travel further to get to a Wal-Mart; why wouldn't they have to travel further to get to an abortion clinic? There is undeniable attack on women's rights and shutting down clinics, I just don't think that map is particularly reflective of it. An area with few people just isn't likely to have an abortion clinic.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 11:29am | IP Logged | 4
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I don't know the source of the abortion clinic map, but is it really an "attack"?Doesn't it show that for a large part of the population getting an abortion is a major adventure even without considering the various moral and physical ramification? Anti-abortionists tend to portray abortion clinics as if they are second only to ATMs in terms of availability. The truth is something else.
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 11:37am | IP Logged | 5
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The "attack" wasn't in relation to the map; I was acknowledging that there is indeed a push by Conservatives to make getting an abortion difficult. I just don't think that map is a clear indication of it because it does seem to correlate with populate density.
Sure someone in rural Wyoming probably has to go far for a clinic, but they probably have to go far for a dentist too! My grandparents' lived in the boonies and it was a 30 minute drive to the nearest convenience store (or the not-very-convenient store).
I'm not trying to make light of the lack of availability, but there's context too. If there's only a handful of people living in an area, there probably isn't going to be a clinic.
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Stephen Robinson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5835
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | 6
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THOM:Sure someone in rural Wyoming probably has to go far for a clinic, but they probably have to go far for a dentist too!
SER: But I wonder how far they have to go to buy a gun? A friend who grew up in a densely populated area was surprised to learn how relatively easy it was to find a gun shop in a rural part of the South.
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Monte Gruhlke Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | 7
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"Once again, the life of the unborn is considered more important than the life of the mother."
And I'll suggest that the life of the baby, the moment it is born, is even less important. In fact, most often the direction goes from saving a life to endless years of shaming it by the very same people.
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 2:09pm | IP Logged | 8
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I'm with Monte. None of these "pro-lifers" give a damn about the baby once it's born, to judge by their lack of support for working moms, affordable day care or other taxpayer-funded amenities that would make their lives bearable. Which is one more reason to have no respect for them or their "beliefs."
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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 3:07pm | IP Logged | 9
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We should strive to reduce the need for abortions, not the access to them. Every hospital should be able to perform them. That would nip all this shit in the bud.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 5:37pm | IP Logged | 10
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Brian Floyd Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 5:41pm | IP Logged | 11
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What pisses me off is that some states (mine included) allow pro life license plates but do not allow pro choice plates. The reasoning for not allowing pro choice plates is that doing so might incite violence.
Sorry, but if you can't/won't allow pro choice plates, then I don't believe pro life plates should be allowed, either.
(And personally, I believe abortions should be illegal purely as birth control, but should be allowed in the case of rape, incest, danger to the mother or if the baby will be born extremely mentally or physically impaired to the point of making their life unbearable. If a state doesn't want to allow abortions, then they should have to set up anonymous drop-offs at hospitals and orphanages for unwanted babies that result from the instances I mentioned.)
Edited by Brian Floyd on 20 May 2016 at 5:44pm
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Jeremy Simington Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2016 at 9:02pm | IP Logged | 12
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And just when you thought Oklahoma couldn't get any stupider, the floor sinks another few feet:
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