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Eric Jansen
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Posted: 30 May 2016 at 12:51am | IP Logged | 1  

The trick always is, of course, don't overthink it but don't underthink it either.  From our point of view, Batman is in different books.  From his point of view, it's all his life.  If he investigates a rundown warehouse and finds a gang of thieves, he takes care of it himself.  If he investigates a rundown warehouse and finds an army of aliens with a world-destroying bomb behind an impenetrable force field, he calls in the JLA.  The first story is told in BATMAN or DETECTIVE COMICS and the second story is told in JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA.  If he finds the Metal Men or Metamorpho being held captive, it's BRAVE AND THE BOLD (Boy, I miss that one!).

And, yeah, as I recall, the teleporters were stationed around the country and the only way up to the JLA Satellite was by getting to one of those secure, hidden, phonebooth-sized. teleport stations.  Unlike the teleporter on any newer STAR TREK shows where it was used almost like a super-power and could do all sorts of extra things (instead of being just a money and time-saving story device to get people off the ship and down to the planet surface).
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ITEM: I remember a few Justice League stories where only the JLA teleporter on the satellite was required to bring members to the satellite, and that anyone on the satellite could be teleported anywhere (because even if the satellite is over Australia, and Metropolis is on the other side of the planet, teleport is teleport; it doesn't matter if a planet is in the way.
ITEM TANGENT: How did the JLA teleporter work on Superman of Earth-1?

ITEM: I think that various "branches" of teams are okay - but only as another venue for different heroes, not for convenience's sake of travel time. It's a way to avoid the Justice Army of America, or the Avengers Platoon. Kurt Busiek touched on that when Avengers restarted (volume 3, I think). It also requires that the writer stay true to concept of the team. It's fun once in a while to have a JLA story with Snapper Carr, Speedy, the Vigilante, and 'Mazing Man, but the JLA are the World's Greatest Superheroes; the stories deserve that sort of respect.

ITEM: When we start thinking about travel time and convenient branches of heroes, we're overthinking it. Travel time in comic stories is like meals, bathroom breaks, or torn costumes; it doesn't add to the story unless it is specifically the topic of the story (e.g., the Zeta beam in Adam Strange stories.) If the Masters of Evil are robbing a casino in Las Vegas and it will take the Avengers at least three hours to get there... then it's a bad story. Or if there's an Earthquake in Tokyo, and Flash, Superman, and Wonder Woman show up, saying, "Batman and Black Canary and the Atom are on their way!", then it's an awkward focus. (If it had been a Gardner Fox story, Flash, Superman, and WW would be there to address the Earthquake; Batman, BC, and the Atom would be in a separate chapter, tracking Amos Fortune to his headquarters in Ivy Town. That's one way to address travel time...)

If the Legion of Super-Heroes or the Guardians of the Galaxy had any such considerations as realistic travel time, then anything not in their immediate vicinity would never be arrived at; even at light speed, a crisis on Pluto would require maybe 5½ hours to get there, and the Fatal Five attacking a planet in the Proxmia Centauri system would require on the order of four years. I suppose that might be a reductio ad abusurdum argument, but it shouldn't be, because the topic shouldn't be a consideration.

Story elements should be important to the story; otherwise, they're just a waste of the writers' and readers' time. I think Captain America's travel time from New York to Miami is such a waste.
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Can I add another perspective to this debate, folks?

For me, regional teams aren't necessarily about "getting there quickly" but about culture. I did enjoy seeing various Justice League characters in Europe when the JLE book began in the late 80s. A different flavour is good, although nothing should ever be diluted (i.e. who'd want 50 Justice League books a month, one for each state?).

I mean, if they did a Justice League London, I'd find that intriguing, although I accept the novelty would wear off. As a short-lived series, it might be interesting seeing heroes interact with Londoners and battle villains on London soil.
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I really enjoyed both West Coast Avengers and Excalibur.  Both are technically regional teams.  But functionally, they both operated independently and told their own stories and had their own adventures.  Neither of them seemed like a minor league team or an extension of the Avengers and X-Men respectively.  Justice League Europe, to me, always felt like it was somewhat deliberately (for comedy purposes) a bit bush league.  Of course, the JLA at the time was being written for laughs, as well.
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The Main JL title was bush league as well. One or two of the big names involved usually. 
Batman
Blue Beetle
Booster Gold
Captain Marvel
Guy Gardner
Dr Light
Dr Fate
Martian Manhunter

Not exactly the World's Greatest Superheroes


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ITEM TANGENT: How did the JLA teleporter work on Superman of Earth-1?
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As I recall, the satellite was constructed with combined Thanagarian and Kryptonian technology.
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Not sure I understand the question. Why wouldn't they work on Superman?

As mentioned, they worked as transmitters and receivers. You need a booth at both ends.  I figure when you joined you got a signal device and a teleporter booth in your home town. 

I never liked the franchising of the JLA and Avengers. I liked teams with their own IDs like the Defenders and the Outsiders.  
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Even at the time I thought a JLA Europe was watering down the concept.  I've always seen The Avengers and The JLA as fighting for the world not just America.  The fact that most of the stories happened in NYC or wherever the JLA was located at that time just meant that it was familiar territory for the authors not that they only fought for the country where they were located. That the global threats centered on NYC was/is a comic book shorthand that's fine with me.  Once the JLA decided to become global and the Avengers decided to become national, I wondered just how effective the main team actually was given they were always able to handle those threats in the past.  

If anything, I like regional teams that aren't affiliated as franchises of the Big Two. 
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I think it interesting and worth noting that Roger Stern did not create the West Coast team to be a separate book, but part of the single Avengers comic. In stepped editorial.
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Mr. Mike Norris:

ITEM That is indeed the membership of the Justice League (although you omitted Black Canary.) Now put it in the hands of a real writer who respects the characters, instead of ones needing to mock and degrade them.That's a pretty solid super team to me.

ITEM: Superman of Earth-1 is pretty invulnerable to most anything, although the use of Kryptonian technology does put a different spin on it. Thanks for reminding me.

ITEM: Regarding teleporting - again, I can only trust to my memory that there were times when someone in the satellite did point to point teleporting without using the booths. They were usually used, but I recall times when they weren't.
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 Eric Sofer wrote:
That's a pretty solid super team to me.
But is it the Justice League? 

 Eric Sofer wrote:
Superman of Earth-1 is pretty invulnerable to most anything, although the use of Kryptonian technology does put a different spin on it. Thanks for reminding me.
Never thought of that. 

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 Mike Norris wrote:
But is it the Justice League?


Depends on how you look at the team. When the series kicked off, it wasn't "DC's greatest heroes," it was "DC's currently published super-heroes" (except for Green Arrow for some reason, but they got him in there pretty quickly). For the next few years, as a new super-hero was introduced, they gradually made their way onto the team (except for sidekicks, spouses and proteges). It was rarer to find a regularly published super-hero that wasn't on the team. (It was the Justice Society back in the 40s that was choosier.)

Then time went on, several members lost their solo strips, characters came in that never had one (or they had already lost it) and it became more "Avengers-ish," with The Majors hanging out with second stringers. Then DC went all in and only used characters that didn't have a solo strip for a few years. So by the time we got to Justice League International, there was precedent for any kind of Justice League you could want.

With the JLI, you had some characters with a solid Justice League background, several with their own solo titles, a few characters that had been floating around for decades and some random others. Good a way to build a team as any. (And look at this way - when Booster Gold joined the team he had 19 issues of his own title out. That's more than Barry (11) and Hal (3) combined had when the team was created. :-) )

As to the concept of "ancillarly teams," I'm with Eric - good way to get more characters onto the playing field, but no need to bring practicality into it. So conceptually, I'm all for them. Execution tends to be more hit and miss of course.
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