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Brian Miller
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Posted: 22 June 2016 at 7:47am | IP Logged | 1  

First, let me say I hate that term. But, it seems to be somewhat official, so there it is.

Ok, you UK members, what's going to happen tomorrow? Staying or going?

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As far as i`m aware,if we vote to leave,which our government doesn`t want,then they can override the decision,so i think we`ll end up staying.The trouble is,the desperate scare stories from both sides have made the decision very hard.
The pro-remain campaign has been eager to point out the minus points of leaving,but hasn`t really made any positive points.whilst the leave campaign has had to endure cries of  racism for being concerned about uncontrolled immigration.My problem is the amount of celebrities being used to try to influence the decision...do the likes of The Beckham`s really have any idea what a stay or remain win means to the average Joe,when they can bugger off to their foreign homes or hide behind the walls of their U.K. gated community residences?
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Posted: 22 June 2016 at 8:18am | IP Logged | 3  

Welcome to the US political circus! I'm not sure what it has been like in the past for UK political issues, but the US seems to be setting a standard and raising the bar on underhanded behavior for a long time. I've been in Canada for over a decade and I can already see how things are changing. Just recently the Canadian Premier, Kathleen Wynne, was down south criticizing Donald Trump. I agree with the criticism, but that is bad form and shows poorly for decorum in politics in my opinion. It won't be long before the political process and discourse is unrecognizable from a Twitter insult-a-thon between two celebrity nitwits.
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Posted: 22 June 2016 at 9:08am | IP Logged | 4  

I think we will do what we usually do in this country, that is we let Rupert Murdoch decide.
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As for `Brexit` i hate it too,it infantilizes a serious issue.The sad murder of MP Jo Cox last week,was even used to try and link the leave campaign to far right groups,when it was a lone guy with severe mental health issues,such dirty tricks are so low.The trouble is the EU accounts have NEVER been signed off,and the money they waste is huge.Also,the EU gravy train is very lucrative for ex-MP`s after they are voted out.
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Posted: 22 June 2016 at 9:23am | IP Logged | 6  

I hope Britain stays in, but there will be some turbulence either way. If they do leave it will cause some economic shockwaves all over, which would be bad for all of us.
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 9:27pm | IP Logged | 7  

Looks like it's a Brexit. Just when you least expect it, Britain changes the world again. 
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 9:46pm | IP Logged | 8  

I'm having trouble believing it. How has this happened?

And now the pound is at its lowest level since 1985. And since most of my savings are in sterling and I live in Canada, this is very bad for me.

The Bank of England warned that it would be damaging. And now, hey ho, they are saying the Bank of England may to have to intervene to shore up the pound.

I'm hoping the forecasts prove somehow wrong, even though we are deep into the count...
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 10:41pm | IP Logged | 9  

It is always amazing to me how people can vote against their own interests.

Hopefully, the UK and EU will find a way to cushion the blow to British citizens.  Supposedly, nothing changes for the next two years.
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 10:52pm | IP Logged | 10  

"Hopefully, the UK and EU will find a way to cushion the blow to British citizens."

Actually, they say the EU will go out of their way to make the separation as painful as possible for the UK, so as to make an example to the populaces of other EU members who might think of leaving. 


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Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle
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A lot of French friends living in UK for a long time are
worried about working visas and taxes. Same goes with
some British friends living in Europe.
It goes also with freedom of circulation for students
and EU tourists. I have such a case in my in-laws...They
surely know how to create troubles...

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Richard White
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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 3:44am | IP Logged | 12  

Deeply disappointed.

I can see Scotland going their own way now.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 4:23am | IP Logged | 13  

Yes, it does seem to pave a way for another Scottish referendum, with the Scottish clearly in favour of being part of the EU.
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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 4:27am | IP Logged | 14  

For as long as I can remember, Britons have been hostile toward the notion of belonging to somebody else's club. Delusions of Empire still lurking in the folds of those British brains.

What concerns me, on this side of the Pond, is how the Stock Market will respond. Those avaricious cowards tend to dive for cover at the least ripple in world affairs, dragging market values into the gutter.

A curious point in all this: I was watching BBC News yesterday (when I went to bed last night, "stay" was in the lead), and one of the commentators stated that the Government would not actually have to act on the vote, whichever way it went. This seems at odds with the Prime Minister resigning!

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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 4:29am | IP Logged | 15  

Devastating.

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Peter Martin
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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 4:30am | IP Logged | 16  

Barclays bank is down 20%.
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J W Campbell
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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 4:41am | IP Logged | 17  

 John Byrne wrote:
one of the commentators stated that the Government would not actually have to act on the vote, whichever way it went. This seems at odds with the Prime Minister resigning!

The referendum itself isn't legally binding. The recent referendums on electoral reform and Scottish independence both had specific legal outcomes built into the bills that enabled the referendum in the first place. This one doesn't — it could have included a specific requirement to invoke Article 50 (which is the mechanism by which the UK leaves the EU) but it didn't.

It's very likely that Article 50 will require a parliamentary vote, which could be interesting.

As for Call-Me-Dave resigning… that's because this referendum was only ever about Cameron trying to control the Euro-sceptic right of his own party. The idea was: call a referendum, win it, shut the Euro-sceptics up for a decade. Didn't work out so well for him, hence the resignation.

Just a shame that the rest of us have to pay the price for his political incompetence.

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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 4:45am | IP Logged | 18  

Thanks for clearing that up!
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Conrad Teves
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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 4:59am | IP Logged | 19  

The whole thing reminds me of that scene from Yes, Minister:


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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 5:02am | IP Logged | 20  

TOP GEAR did a segment saluting the Jaguar E-Type on its fiftieth anniversary. Jeremey Clarkson referred to it as the last great thing Britain made, and summed it up by saying it "reminds us of a time when we really were as great as we still think we are."

That's an underlying current in the land of my birth, and one that leads to this kind of foolishness.

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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 6:05am | IP Logged | 21  

I predicted Brexit a few weeks back on here and it's come to pass. This will destroy this country and I am deeply ashamed today. 

Sadly in the same post I also predicted Boris as PM (which now looks likely) and then Trump as POTUS. I really hope I'm wrong otherwise we are all FUCKED.


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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 6:15am | IP Logged | 22  

Bill Colins: The sad murder of MP Jo Cox last week,was even used to try and link the leave campaign to far right groups,when it was a lone guy with severe mental health issues,such dirty tricks are so low.
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There is a direct link. The far-right (mainly UKIP and Nigel Farrage) have been stoking anti-immigration feeling for years now. This preys on people's insecurities. Far easier to blame anyone non-white or non-British for all your problems. Farrage then has the gaul to say this 'battle' was won without a bullet being fired. Dangerous prick. 


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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 6:41am | IP Logged | 23  

I've spent this week trying to get leave voters to wake up by posing them the following question:
Would you like to wake up on Friday to Boris Johnson as PM and the pound in freefall?
No they say

Then vote remain.

Over 60% of the people where I live voted to leave. And the idiot Farage suddenly comes out saying he lied about the money (shocked, I tell you, shocked!) and that no one will be sent back home, in fact, immigration will probably remain as is (for the sake of clarity, immigration is not an issue to me along the lines that it is to the idiot Farage). .

So, other than wrecking our country, what has that idiot actually achieved?
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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 7:33am | IP Logged | 24  

There's a whiff of something undemocratic about it.

In a democracy, if you vote someone in on a false campaign promise you can oust them.

With this, where the repercussions of the vote seem irreversible, it seems wrong that immediately they are admitting their campaign promises were bollocks.

And the S&P 500 has just had the worst opening in 30 years...


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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 7:48am | IP Logged | 25  

Going to take a bath today. Glad I'm in for the long haul.

I am quite surprised that with all the instability brought on by Greece, the turmoil in Venezuela and the looming threat of terrorism that something like this could occur. The global environment is getting quite ripe for a dictator to emerge "for the people".
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