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Rick Whiting
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This is one of the reasons Quicksilver, at least at first, made much more sense than the Flash. Pietro was fast, but he wasn't supersonic, or speed of light fast.


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Fast forward to the present day and Quicksilver is almost as fast as the Flash and has been even shown (along with his nephew, Speed) vibrating through a wall in an issue of the Young Avengers mini series. Either the writer of the YA mini series didn't know how Quicksilver's powers worked or he just wanted to write the Flash. You would think that the editor of the book would have pointed this out to the writer, but I guess he didn't want to make the big name Hollywood writer angry. After all, Tom Brevoort once publicly said that this same Hollywood writer was allowed to be late with his scripts because he had a day job in Hollywood. Ironically, Quicksilver's speed was properly handled in the 2nd Avengers movie.
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Ironically, Quicksilver's speed was properly handled in the 2nd Avengers movie.

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Is that the "Time in a Bottle" scene? Can't imagine how you could see that as Quicksilver scene -- unless you mean what the character has become when handled by that writer you say doesn't understand him!

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Is that the "Time in a Bottle" scene? Can't imagine how you could see that as Quicksilver scene -- unless you mean what the character has become when handled by that writer you say doesn't understand him!

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No specific scene. I was talking about in regards to him not being as fast as his current comic book version or the version of the character from the X-Men movies. That being said, after watching that "time in a bottle" clip from the 2nd Avengers movie again, it looks like they didn't handle his speed powers right. Which brings up an interesting question. Has Hollywood ever depicted a character. who is not over powered, running at super speed in live action where time doesn't slow down around them? How could such a scene be shot? Maybe the filmmakers should study Japan's bullet train (whose top speed is 200 mph) when deciding how to depict Quicksilver's speed and to see how things would look from his viewpoint as this youtube video shows from a passenger looking out the window of the bullet train.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cVrfcpk2hM
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Wasn't the Time in a Bottle scene from X-Men, not Avengers? I don't remember any similar level of super speed in Avengers. 
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Has Hollywood ever depicted a character. who is not over powered, running
at super speed in live action where time doesn't slow down around them?
How could such a scene be shot?
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I think the last Captain America movie where Winter Soldier, Cap and Black
panther are outracing cars might count. Not sure if that is as "super-speed"
as you meant.
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Wasn't the Time in a Bottle scene from X-Men, not Avengers? I don't remember any similar level of super speed in Avengers.

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I didn't recall it either, until rewatched this clip from the movie on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHdWI7cIILY
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That youtube clip is a mashup of an
Avengers scene with the "Time in a bottle
" song played over top of it.
That's not how the scene really is in the
Avengers movie.

The only movie with the real "time in a
bottle" scene is the X-men: Days of Future
Past, film.
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That youtube clip is a mashup of an
Avengers scene with the "Time in a bottle
" song played over top of it.
That's not how the scene really is in the
Avengers movie.

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Yes, but it still has scenes featuring Quicksilver using his super speed. The "time in the bottle" scene from that video is when Cap's shield is frozen in midair and Cap is frozen still while Quicksilver is using his super speed. I can't recall if their were any other scenes like that in the movie.
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 QUOTE:
Maybe the filmmakers should study Japan's bullet train
(whose top speed is 200 mph) when deciding how to depict
Quicksilver's speed and to see how things would look from his
viewpoint as this youtube video shows from a passenger looking out
the window of the bullet train.


But should it look like that? Comic book superspeed implies the ability
to think and perceive things at an accelerated rate, otherwise the
speedster is going to be constantly crashing into things.


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The "time in the bottle" scene from that video is when Cap's
shield is frozen in midair and Cap is frozen still while Quicksilver is
using his super speed.


Note that in that scene that things like the blasts coming from Ultron
and Iron Man, as well as Thor's hammer, are still moving relative to
Quicksilver's speed. It wasn't the ridiculous lightspeed levels that
Quicksilver was moving at in X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST.
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Originally, Quicksilver and the Silver Age Flash represented two different kinds of speedsters.

Barry Allen got his powers from a "scientific accident." To borrow a term coined by Roy Thomas in X-MEN, Barry was a "non-mutant variant." To put that in perspective, Spider-Man and the FF would also be non-mutant variants.

Pietro, on the other hand, was born with his powers, albeit in a latent state. This was in the days when mutant powers manifested with puberty.

The difference between these two, then, is that the Flash's powers are on a molecular level, while Quicksilver's powers are on a cellular level. (Technically, it is incorrect to refer to Quicksilver's "powers" since, unlike the Flash, he is "only" fast.)

Because his powers manifest on a molecular, or even atomic level, the Flash is able to do things that should be impossible for Quicksilver. The "time in a bottle" scene is, in fact, a perfect Flash scene, since it shows him "stopping" (as when he deflects the bullets) while still functioning at super speed. His molecules are still vibrating at super spped -- the same thing that allows him to run thru walls.

Quicksilver, correctly handled, should not be able to do that. He can run at any speed up to his top speed, and he can even manipulate objects at super speed, but not at the level seen in the "time in a bottle" scene.

Unfortunately, there have been several decades now of mutants being incorrectly portrayed at Marvel, resulting in a blurring of both the meaning of the term and what mutants should be capable of doing. This blurring is most distinctly seen in the character Apocalypse, the "first mutant." Under Stan and Jack, who laid the groundwork, mutants were intended to be specific products of the Atomic Age. They did not exist before we started messing with atom bombs.*

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* In the first issue of X-MEN, Professor X tells Jean Gray that his parents worked on the first atom bomb project. This is meant to explain where his powers came from, but it also would make him about 20 years old! Whether Stan intended that to actually be the case, with Xavier only a few years older that his students, is moot, as it was quickly forgotten. We would later see young Charles serving in Korea. This also begins the blurring of just what time frame mutations of this kind are supposed to exist within.

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Should we also mention that, in Bryan Singer's movies, Cyclops' beams burn hot and Kitty can send Wolverine back in time?  (Not to mention his Superman knocks up a girl and then leaves town for five years.)
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I read on Jim Shooter's blog that one of the plots he rejected in the Marvel / DC crossover many moons ago was a race between The Flash and Quicksilver. He rejected it because he believed it would be a no contest as The Flash can run at light speed and QuickSilver at 175mph. It surprised me to see the movie QuickSilver move as fast as the flash. 
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