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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Location: England Posts: 11245
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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 2:22pm | IP Logged | 1
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`Black lives matter`...NO,ALL lives matter!
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 14812
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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 2:32pm | IP Logged | 2
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`Black lives matter`...NO,ALL lives matter!
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People fail to understand the context of "Black Lives Matter" and seem to think the statement is saying that "Black Lives Matter... more than any other lives" when it is actually saying "Black Lives Matter... as much as anyone else's".
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Brendan Howard Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4943
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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 2:35pm | IP Logged | 3
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Yes, the whole point is that all lives DON'T matter until black lives matter too.
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Location: England Posts: 11245
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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | 4
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My point is,ALL LIVES MATTER,and until you sort out your gun control laws...NO LIVES MATTER.I realise that the police need to sort themselves out,but if you had proper gun control laws,maybe they wouldn`t have a shoot first,ask questions later attitude? Let us not forget,it is a small percentage of bad cops,and bad black people,the majority are law abiding.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 5
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People fail to understand the context of "Black Lives Matter" and seem to think the statement is saying that "Black Lives Matter... more than any other lives" when it is actually saying "Black Lives Matter... as much as anyone else's". ======= I completely agree with you. Sadly, because I agree with you, I need someone to explain the backlash Justin Timberlake got after Jesse Williams BET Awards speech.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 4:39pm | IP Logged | 6
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Everybody is approximately equal, right? Some have greater physical prowess, some are smarter, some have talent, some don't. But none of those difference have anything to do with race. Unfortunately, their are people of all races who think their "club" is the best. And many of them are prepared to enforce their views with guns.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 5:17pm | IP Logged | 7
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I think this is the turning point of the gun-control saga. The Second Amendment people will now have to choose between gun control and violent race warfare. How they will choose will determine the fate of the country.
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Bob Simko Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | 8
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While we're looking at taking Constitutionally protected rights away, let's take away the right to assemble and free speech. If there wasn't an assembly yesterday no one would have been shot.
The problems run a lot deeper than going after the Second Amendment...address the diseases, not just the symptoms.
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 6:28pm | IP Logged | 9
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"Second Amendment people" have no choice to make... because THAT Amendment isn't going anywhere. The problem begins with race relations and the structure/training of law enforcement. I listened to a female black officer from Cleveland who felt compelled to address her feelings after Baton Rouge on a public platform. In a Facebook video, she sounded off on other cops who, she says, live with a “God complex" - this was a very powerful, heartfelt message -
Just hope her life and career isn't damaged for speaking out about the system that is failing us all.
-C!
Edited by Charles Valderrama on 08 July 2016 at 6:29pm
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John Byrne
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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 7:24pm | IP Logged | 10
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While we're looking at taking Constitutionally protected rights away, let's take away the right to assemble and free speech. If there wasn't an assembly yesterday no one would have been shot.The problems run a lot deeper than going after the Second Amendment...address the diseases, not just the symptoms. ••• You could not be more wrong. If you want to make the disease analogy, guns are no longer just a "symptom." This is not 1776, with primitive firearms that had limited capacities to kill. Guns have mutated far beyond that. The image of the Minute Man who bravely arms himself against a much stronger force, but who can put away his gun when the battle is won -- that image is dead. It died when guns reached a level of granting empowerment such that their presence began to control how people think. When they ceased to be a last resort, and became a first response. To take the disease analogy to its present state, guns are like a virus. They do not merely infect, like bacteria. They actually transform the "host." "Guns don't kill, people do" is no longer an operational model. There are too many guns in too many hands. Hands connected to minds which see all of society as the enemy. Guns compel people to kill.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 9:38pm | IP Logged | 11
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" The problem begins with race relations and the structure/training of law enforcement. "
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And with accidental shootings, it begins with "education" and "respect for the gun".
And with guns deaths in domestic violence, it begins with better "family values".
And with suicides by gun, it begins with better psychiatric care.
And with workplace massacres, it begins with better work environments, which usually means better wages and economy.
And with terrorist incidents, it begins with better screening of immigrants and protecting people from "radicalization".
Do you see a pattern here? The free availability of guns has made every national problem deadlier, by magnitudes.
It's nuts to expect the world to miraculously solve its intractable, in some cases ancient, problems, just so that a few can hold onto their guns.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 08 July 2016 at 9:50pm
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2016 at 10:31am | IP Logged | 12
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The problem begins with race relations and the structure/training of law enforcement. +++
During The Fifties, a mass resistance movement was forced to coalesce in order to combat the United States' apartheid regime, and was met with brutal suppression by authorities wielding law enforcement as a truncheon. Yet every whitey in America looks back on an idyllic decade of sweater girls, hot rods and do-wop groups; best-selling books have been written about how it was just plain a better time before the blacks ruined it with their complaining. That dissonance contributes to the problem.
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