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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 30 March 2017 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

A few thoughts to toss out there:

- Caitlin will probably be Killer Frost for a while now, if not for good
- I doubt HR is Savitar but why not another Earth's Barry Allen?
- Could be Savitar will "murder" Iris...but she isn't going to die (they'll find a way to trick Savitar into thinking he killed her); I just don't see this sunny and upbeat show going with killing her off
- Gypsy is gone for the rest of the season, maybe longer, now that she and Cisco are not happening
- it was nice that these two Detroit JLA'ers connected even briefly
- HR (in a stunning move) does not have a secret, dark agenda, it will turn out, he's just a hipster doofus
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They seemed to be dropping clues over the season that HR might be Abra Kadabra.  That facial transmogrifier looked way too advanced for this Earth's present (and yes, it could be that HR's Earth-19 is more tech advanced than the Arrowverse Earth).   In keeping with the blinders-on Team Flash tradition no one ever stops to consider that 'HR' might actually be someone else using the transmogrifier with Wells' face instead of the other way around.**

Now they've had Abra show up in the flesh and mysteriously HR is absent for most of the episode.  They also make a point of mentioning that HR is now 'back'.  It doesn't seem like Tom Cavanagh was given a vacation week off, if you know what I mean.

Also, Gypsy has had epic mad-ons this season for both HR and Abra in two separate episodes, which is just weirdly coincidental.

So yeah, I think Team Flash is being punked by Savitar and Abra, with 'fake Wells' (Savitar's words) as a trojan horse. 


** I find way too much of the drama in the show relies on the sheer stupidity and thick-headedness of Team Flash.  I can understand Barry making amateur mistakes in the first season but they seem to get hoodwinked like this every season now.  It's starting to get a little dull and repetitive.


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So help me, if HR turns out to be yet another evil Wells...and they don't find the real HR tied up in a closet or something afterward (meaning he was replaced by an imposter)....I hope they either:

1. Bring Harry back as a regular.

2. Somehow restore the real Harrison Wells to existence.

or 

3. Relegate Tom Cavanaugh to a recurring role, when he shows up as Harry.

Because the last thing we need is yet another different Wells from yet another different Earth. We need that almost as much as we need yet another evil speedster.....Oh, wait. WE DON'T! :p

If they go this direction with HR, how about doing something that would be really jarring to the cast, like bringing in an alternate version of Eddie Thawne as a replacement? (Or Hunter Zolomon, but since Teddy Sears is doing 24 Legacy, that's probably not an option.)

Oh, and my theory on Savitar: What if  his power is out of control without the armor, which regulates/controls them? (Can walk around without the suit, but he can't risk using his powers at all without it on.) Or possibly he's more or less like Wildfire from the Legion of Super-Heroes. Meaning maybe he's made up of some sort of energy and has to have the armor to survive.

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Regarding John Barrowman,he regularly does pantomime
here in the U.K. also i have seen one of his live shows
on Sky Arts,it was very good with plenty of song,dance
and humour,it may be on Youtube.
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Posted: 05 April 2017 at 11:09am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Looks like the next episode of Flash, coming later this month, will push him further into the future and we see him with a disabled young guy-- maybe his own son? Could Savitar be Barry's own kid?
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Posted: 05 April 2017 at 11:36am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I had captioning on during the recaps shown in the last episode, and
Savitar's line is transcribed as "I am the future Flash", not "I am the
future, Flash."
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Posted: 25 April 2017 at 10:57pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Future Barry mentions that he created time remnants of himself that
were mostly killed off, so I think my previous Savitar theory is
correct:


 QUOTE:

Savitar knew a lot of personal information about Team Flash, and
perhaps that was just through his connection to Wally or Julian, but
along with the way that he said, "I am the future, Flash" as "I am the
Future Flash", I think he might possibly be Barry. Or more specifically, a
time remnant of Barry that got trapped in the Speed Force, went
insane, and resents Barry for living out the rest of his life while he got
left behind.


I think the writers learned from earlier in the season that no one likes
Angry Angsty Cisco, because his future self seemed level-headed even
as he was accusing Barry of abandoning them.
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Posted: 27 April 2017 at 1:10am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

The time remnant gone insane theory is interesting. 

I just hope it doesn't turn out to be something stupid. Like Savitar turning out to be Ronnie Raymond, who somehow survived but gained different powers and went crazy. Or an evil Barry from an alternate Earth. Or an alternate Earth version of Eobard Thawne.




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Posted: 27 April 2017 at 11:33pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

What if Savitar is Iris? 
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I think we got the Savitar revelation that most people had predicted, and we must be getting an origin story/explanation next week. Feels like it's a riff on the Wallace West/Walter West story from the Flash comics around 1999, with some Cobalt Blue thrown into the mix.

Rather than reveal that Savitar's a time travel remnant, it would be interesting to see some evidence that our Barry, the angsty future Barry, and Savitar are literally all the same person, at different points in time, and that our Barry has to figure out some way of preventing all of this without literally destroying himself. We'll see.

Hoping for a fourth season that just has some fun, standalone adventures and not the season-long big bad who's out to personally destroy Barry and his friends again.
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Posted: 03 May 2017 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

So, is HR supposed to be the Drummer from Planetary since he's always holding the sticks?
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Posted: 03 May 2017 at 8:32pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Prediction:

Iris is saved but Joes girlfriend dies. 
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 Andrew W. Farago wrote:
Hoping for a fourth season that just has some fun, standalone adventures and not the season-long big bad who's out to personally destroy Barry and his friends again.

You know you're watching a CW/Berlanti series, right?  When has there not been a season-long arc on ARROW, FLASH, SUPERGIRL or LEGENDS that doesn't have to do with a big bad disrupting the core group and destroying the star(s) of the show?  
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Posted: 04 May 2017 at 10:42am | IP Logged | 14 post reply

I'll settle for no more 'Evil speedsters' next season...and also, no more 'time travel remnants;. As Andrew said, just use 'the same person at different times' instead of this forced 'DUDE, this is so much KEWLer than 'the same person at different times' approach.
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You know you're watching a CW/Berlanti series, right?  When has there not been a season-long arc on ARROW, FLASH, SUPERGIRL or LEGENDS that doesn't have to do with a big bad disrupting the core group and destroying the star(s) of the show?

I'm only watching Flash and Supergirl regularly, and even with its season-long Cadmus storyline and the first season's rogue Kryptonians, it's never felt like we were just slogging through filler until the last few episodes of the season. Savitar just hasn't clicked for me the way Reverse-Flash and Zoom did.
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I'm wondering if Tracy Brand was brought in to replace Caitlin, because Killer Frost isn't going to be taken care of before the season is over, and will be the big bad for next season.

Color me disinterested if that's the case. There's only so far you can go with the Killer Frost angle before it gets old. And its heading toward rounding that particular corner already.
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Still, at least here's only one of her. Three years in a row of basically the same bad guy with the same power and scary voice, but  different names, is 'older' than the Killer Frost angle.
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I think this all goes back to Flashpoint.  Something got fractured in Barry's future.  Maybe it's a time remnant of some sort.  Barry may need to go back again and fix something to prevent Savitar fro existing.  However, it may alter some things...  No Kid Flash, no Julian, etc.

It'll be a good/bad thing.
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Still, at least here's only one of her. Three years in a row of basically the same bad guy with the same power and scary voice, but  different names, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This has been the one real disappointment that I've been having with this series.
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Posted: 06 May 2017 at 7:58am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

Prediction:

Iris is saved but Joes girlfriend dies. 

Hooo yes, totally in agreement here.  

What sticks out to me:
  • Cecile has similar height/build/complexion as Iris
  • We have the convenient facial transmogrifier introduced earlier in the season.
  • Joe is happy and in love, which in Arrowverse writers terms means the character must undergo some sort of horrific tragedy -- because someone has to be crying at the end of every season.


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Future Barry said he didn't know who Savitar was.

So does this mean that somehow the timeline has been altered, or does it mean Future Barry flat out lied?

Also, its going to be interesting to see how Savitar is taken down if he's going to know Barry's every move. I sort of wish they'd do it by avoiding combat and simply preventing whatever happened to turn him evil from occurring.





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Future Barry said he didn't know who Savitar was.

So does this mean that somehow the timeline has been altered, or
does it mean Future Barry flat out lied?

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Based on the scarring, I think it means that Savitar is from further in the
future than 2024.
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Yes, but if OUR Barry now knows, so should Future Barry, right?
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Timeline changes account for all of this. It's sort of a Flashpoint, but occurring in the current time, instead of fifteen-odd years ago (however long it was...)

I don't suppose I mind so much a season-long arc, but yeah... we've had enough of the SAME season-long arc.  Who could present a challenge to Barry? Daxamites. Sinestro. The Rogue's Gallery... each in an episode, building up to a huge event - maybe even a crossover.

If they must replace Caitlin, I rather wish they would have brought Patty Spivac back. Nice chemistry, good acting, and she wasn't at ALL hard to look at!

I need this to have a dynamite wrap up. I like the show... but I loved it, and now I'm slightly itchy.

And by the way, who DOESN'T know Barry is the Flash now? I think one waitress at CC Jitters only has suspicions... yeesh.
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Yes, but if OUR Barry now knows, so should Future Barry, right?

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Oh, oh. I think the timeline changed. Based on next week's previews,
all of Team Flash knows, which wasn't the case in 2024.
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