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Stephen Robinson
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Congress is structured in a way to make a viable third party not ideal.
For example, suppose there's a Sanders revolution and you get a major
break in the Democratic party. Even a relatively small minority would
render the Republicans in total control of both houses. Sanders
caucuses with Democrats but I'm not sure 15 Green Senators would be
able to and if so, then, it's a separate party in name only.
The reverse would be true if the GOP permanently split.There is power
in numbers and fhat's why you see Republicans grudgingly endorsing
Trump: Not just to keep Clinton out of the White House but they can't
afford to alienate his supporters. So, there winds up being a sort of
tyranny of the minority. Not all of the GOP are Tea Partiers but they
need their support to win.
Edited by Stephen Robinson on 22 July 2016 at 9:29am
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Robbie Parry
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Sounds like a mess. New system needed.
The British parliament is far from perfect, but it's balanced. I don't think we have any independents right now (we have had in the past), but in addition to our own red and blue parties, we have Liberal Democrats - yes, they have fewer MPs now - and one Green Party MP. The SNP (Scottish National Party) have seats, although they don't have candidates outside Scotland for obvious reasons. UKIP has one MP.
We have a balanced parliament. I don't believe any party has a monopoly on good ideas. And, much like other systems (I suspect), parties do work together on committees.
I wish the US had a weekly system akin to our own Prime Minister's Questions!
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Leigh DJ Hunt
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The SNP (Scottish National Party) have seats, although they don't have candidates outside Scotland for obvious reasons.
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Kind of wish they did. Other than leaving Britain, I like a lot of their policies and Nicola Sturgeon seems a decent leader.
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Kevin Brown
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I just hope that the members of the board who are republicans are enjoying embracing white supremacy and fascism as they back Trump. Deny it if you wish, but your candidate's own words and actions prove otherwise.
This truly is a sad day for America that, in this day and age, people cheer for such ugliness.
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Eric Lund
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Hyperbole aside, I'm sure that Republicans right now feel the same
way the Germans did in March of 1933. Exited and ready to "take
their country back"
Hopefully we will not repeat their history...
What a pathetic end to the Republican party who once were about
"ideals"
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Kevin Brown
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Eric Lund wrote:
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Eric, I completely agree with you on that point.
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John Byrne
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As the old saying has it, all that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.Trump is a long way short of truly evil, but if he becomes President in November, it will be precisely because those who oppose him have done nothing.
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Kevin Brown
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Garry Kasparov's reaction to Trump's speech is classic: "I've heard this sort of speech a lot in the last 15 years and trust me, it doesn't sound any better in Russian."
As well as: "It's Demagoguery 101: When you don't have actual answers, exaggerate the problems with fear & hatred in order to blind people with emotion."
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Robbie Parry
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Having read many US history books (check out US HISTORY FOR DUMMIES and a few others), I am of the belief that, historically speaking, if I were a US citizen, I'd have been leaning towards the ideals of the Republican Party. Yes, there have been a few bad apples, but I have found certain Republicans inspiring.
I cannot say that about Mr Gameshow.
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Jeremy Simington
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Trump's acceptance speech was one big love letter to the people who already unreservedly support him but it won't get him any critical mass of new converts. It's still critical for Democrats to get out the vote for Hillary but the RNC convention was a massive failure on the part of the GOP to create the "big tent" they're always talking about. They wrote an autopsy report* after the 2012 election and, rather than use it to gain voters, pissed all over every recommendation they gave themselves this election.
*Fascinating and well worth the time to read the ~100 pages. Astonishingly, they got a lot correct and, had they done these things and chosen the right nominee, probably would have crushed the Democrats.
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Robbie Parry
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Is the man lying again?
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Michael Roberts
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Having read many US history books (check out US HISTORY FOR
DUMMIES and a few others), I am of the belief that, historically
speaking, if I were a US citizen, I'd have been leaning towards the
ideals of the Republican Party. Yes, there have been a few bad apples,
but I have found certain Republicans inspiring.
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Historically speaking, both parties have shifted gears over time, so I'm
not sure what this means. Even the modern neoconservativism of
Reagan and both Bushes has been supplanted by whatever the hell the
party is today.
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