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Andy Mokler
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Posted: 26 July 2016 at 11:07am | IP Logged | 1  

Currently, I'm in a state where I enjoy a happy ending.  Movies, TV, comics...whatever.  But it seems that that concept is getting harder to find.  I suppose it's still the standard since shock value depends on it for it's own purposes.  But overall, it seems like the tone of entertainment has drifted away from a feel good ending.

Has it got to the point where people don't actually like things working out for the best in a story?  Personally, especially with entertainment, I want to have fun and some positivity.  

Maybe I'm focusing on the negative and there's actually a lot more positive than I realize.  But, I just binge-watched Life on Mars and Person of interest and in both cases, the setup and early episodes were entertaining and fun but as each series went on, it got darker and more dour.  I would say Harry Potter and Fringe were like that too.

So, are these random selections the norm now?  
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Roger Stern (him again!) used to say he enjoyed reading Spider-Man comics because he knew no matter how bad his day had been, Peter Parker's had been worse.

I think there's a lot of that kind of thinking, magnified, in the entertainment medium. How many horror movies have we seen where an after-credits scare undoes the "happy ending"?

Seeing the heroes happy reminds some people of how miserable their own lives are.

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I noticed this in a lot of modern horror films. Years ago, Christopher Lee's Dracula got staked, Freddy Krueger was sent back to whatever hole he crawled out from and sinister entities were put "back in their box". Nowadays, numerous villains/creatures survive or someone dies at the end after surviving so much.

It can be depressing. Torture porn films can be like that (hence why I stopped watching them, although I wasn't aware of the term 'torture porn' when I watched then). Yes, people in such films would commit the nastiest atrocities and would almost always walk away free. 

I don't want that in fiction. Not all the time, anyway. Occasionally, it's intriguing to see, say, a legal drama episode where a criminal walks away free (that raises all sorts of issues) or it's fun to see a lovable rogue get away with the loot! Most of the time, though, I want to see good triumph over evil.
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Too many people writing for entertainment
today seem to believe that "Happy Endings"
are bullshit. That it's not how the real
world works. I think that while it doesn't
happen every day, to always end a story in
a downtrodden way is just as unrealistic.
Then there the idea that, "The good guys
can win, but not without a consequence. "
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It's NOT how the real world works. But don't we go to movies, most of the time, to ESCAPE the real world?
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 Freddy Krueger was sent back to whatever hole he crawled out from 
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Though not post-credits, A Nightmare on Elm Street ends with a scare that undoes the happy ending in a very similar way to the description JB gave. Remember Freddy dragging Nancy's mum through the door?
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Andy,which Life On Mars did you watch,the U.S. or U.K. version? The U.S. version had a very different ending,i recently binge watched the U.K. version and it`s spin-off Ashes To Ashes,the end of Ashes To Ashes i found to be a bitter/sweet ending,with the last few eps giving the impression of ending the same as the U.S. Life On Mars,then giving a totally different end.
Sometimes life does give happy endings,so entertainment should sometimes give a happy ending too,we need to be uplifted!

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I thought ASHES TO ASHES had a really good ending. I've mentioned before how it and LOST both had the same ending but ATA was satisfying while LOST felt empty. The execution really is in the detail.

I also thought that while FRINGE got darker and darker, it had a positive ending
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Undoing the happy ending in a post-credits scene is often driven by bean counters and lazy writers.

Bean Counters: Be sure to leave this open for sequels!

Lazy Writers: Oh-hh, man! You can't expect me to weave subtle clues into the plot, surely? That's too much like work! I know, I'll just tack a jump-scare on the end!

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Though not post-credits, A Nightmare on Elm Street ends with a scare that undoes the happy ending in a very similar way to the description JB gave. Remember Freddy dragging Nancy's mum through the door?

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Been such a long time, Peter, I'd forgotten about that. ;) Was probably thinking of later films. 
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Going back to the original post and Harry Potter. The series matured in a way that mirrored its protagonists, but it had a very traditional, happy ending, didn't it?

Main villain vanquished finally. Heroes not just riding off into the sunset with the prospect of living happily ever after, but we're actually given proof that in the future they are still living happily.

It depends what you mean by 'entertainment'. Is there really a standard history of happy endings throughout the history of tale-telling?

Harry Potter incorporates all kinds of Arthurian elements. But not the unhappy ending, where he is mortally wounded in final battle with his nemesis.

Many cherished pieces of storytelling feature tragic endings. From King Lear through to A Farewell to Arms. In the grand scheme of things, sanitized, happy endings are something associated with Hollywood.

Compare the real ending of A Little Mermaid (i.e. involving sacrifice and death, as well as the promise of redemption) with the Disney version (everyone gets what they want, no one has to make any selfless act, villain dispatched in the last 5 minutes). Or do the same with The Natural. Or I Am Legend. The whole point of the book is he is the end of his species. The fairly recent version with Will Smith has an unbelievably happy resolution, that guts the intention of the book. 

But even big screen entertainment has had its fair share of ambiguous or unhappy endings over the years. Pick a serious film from the 70s and chances are it won't have a pat happy ending. Dog Day Afternoon, The Godfather, The Deer Hunter, Taxi Driver, Network. Even Rocky -- one of the big feel good movies of the era -- ends with Rocky losing.

We've been talking about horror.

The Thing, An American Werewolf in London, The Wolfman, Frankenstein, The Exorcist, The Omen, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Rosemary's Baby. Not a happy ending to be found. None of them particularly modern films.

So, I'm not sure I'd agree with the contention that happy endings are what we used to get and now the norm is unhappy.

I do think there is a trend for series to go darker as they progress as dark is 'kewl' and mainstream TV has become unquestionably more graphic, while the Dirty Harry mindset seems to have bled through to pretty much every hero, with a few notable exceptions.
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…An American Werewolf in London, The Wolfman…

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Werewolf/wolfman stories are pretty much cut off from happy endings right out of the gate. The structure of the story is almost always that the only "release" from the curse is death for the wolfman.

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