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Robert Shepherd
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It's all about the body language. When you feel like the one getting punched absorbed the entire blow - ouch.
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Rich Marzullo
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Also, good lord, Kirby was in a league of his own:
The strain of the muscles and the swing really help to underscore the impact here. Unlike this example:
Here, it isn't so much the movement of the punch as it is the positioning of the characters, IMO. Hercules on his knees, his fists loosening, while Thor still has bawled up fists and is standing over his foe. Two ways to deliver effective punches.
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Wallace Sellars
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Rich, I certainly respect what you have to say about that second example, but
to me the way Thor is shown punching Hercules there is easily the least
effective shared, particularly since the combatants are both so powerful. (Side
note: I say Hercules is stronger than Thor, though with Mjolnir and his
command of lightning, the Asgardian is overall a more powerful opponent.)
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Wallace Sellars
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Wow. Even when there are no colors or inks, Jack Kirby could use that "white
impact" technique to produce impressive blows!
Edited by Wallace Sellars on 28 August 2016 at 12:56pm
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Rich Marzullo
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Wallace, I agree that splash lacks a certain...dynamism, but I like that Kirby tells a story within one image.
(And Thor is stronger than Hercules! :P)
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John Byrne
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Black and white serves better I think. Colorists so often didn't know what to do with impact energy.
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Wallace Sellars
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(And Thor is stronger than Hercules! :P)
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I will admit that Marvel seems to play it that way, but… They're wrong. <insert
appropriately jovial emoticon here>
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Robbie Parry
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Hercules should be stronger than any god - except maybe Zeus and Odin who may well be in a league of their own (plus, no-one should be stronger than their dad, I never beat my stepfather when we wrestled during my childhood). ;)
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Robbie Parry
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Oh, that Samson punching Hulk - my hand can still "feel" that punch. Ouch!
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John Cole
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Powerful punches are always preceeded by "It's Clobberin' Time"!
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Marc Cheek
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This is one of my favorites!
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Eric Sofer
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For any given panel, for any given action, there are a variety of poses. With a punch, there's (very basically) the wind up, the impact, and the follow through. And obviously, there is the reaction to the punch. I think that such a scene works best showing the characterization of the scene; that is, in the above Thor vs Thing battle, both punches are shown at point of impact, and both tremendously powerful - but equally effective is that neither fighter is much impacted. This as opposed to the Daredevil and Bullseye shot, which is equally effective - but it shows who's got the power and who's getting the tail end of it.
I think my favorite published punch scene (at least at the moment) is at the end of Avengers vs JLA #1, when Thor clocks Superman.
My favorite UNpublished punch scene is one that Mr. Byrne once described, of Superman battling the Hulk. Four panels of the Hulk walloping the Man of Steel, who takes the blows... but as the Hulk is obviously getting madder and madder. And in the fifth panel, we see Superman knocked into space, which some appropriate comment such as, "Great Krypton! I've never been hit that hard before!"
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