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Brian Hague
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Posted: 26 December 2016 at 9:35am | IP Logged | 1  

I thought the Doctor only barely remembered Clara after her departure. He was searching for her, but only in the same way that an addled octogenarian looks for that harmonica he set down thirty years ago...

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Well the whole of Heaven Sent suggests a lot more than that. But it is confusing in Hell Bent as his memories are wiped but he seems to then remember everything except what she looks like. 
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The Doctor clearly remembers her for the entirety of Heaven Sent; all, what is it? Four and a half billion years of it. It's only after the events of the next episode that he's rendered rather pathetic in regards to his former companion. He's sketchy on a lot more than just the details of her very wide face. I found the whole thing to play out very much as a commentary on caring for the elderly. The answer Moffet suggests of course, is that once the loved one who's spent most of his or her life caring for you and trying to do right by you no longer recognizes your face, you should grab a wordly, wise-beyond-her-years gal pal, and immerse yourself in Route 66-style diner culture out there on the wide-open road... 

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Posted: 26 December 2016 at 11:04am | IP Logged | 4  

The pages shown were 4 (and a little bit of 5), 10, 11, 12 & 13 from Superman #19 and page 10 from issue 7 (this is where the Doctor has drawn glasses on Superman).
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Posted: 26 December 2016 at 11:10am | IP Logged | 5  

I think by the end of Hell Bent, Clara exists for the Doctor kind of like a
best friend in elementary school that you've long lost touch with and
mostly forgotten about. Intellectually you understand that this person
was once very important to you, but you're a bit fuzzy on the details of
your time together and you've lost the emotional attachment to that
person.

The Doctor doesn't react much to the diner dematerializing or seeing
Clara's face painted on his TARDIS, so I think he made the connection
that the waitress was Clara. Knowing that she existed and still around
allowed the Doctor to stop worrying about the holes in his memory and
move on.
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Posted: 26 December 2016 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | 6  

Thanks Robbie, I loved the work JB had done on Superman.  The pages looked great.
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Posted: 26 December 2016 at 4:50pm | IP Logged | 7  

After the long break since last series, this was IMO, a strong comeback. It was a (nearly) stand-alone episode, with only Nardole and the (tiresome) reference to River serving as reminders of anything gone by. 

Otherwise, the episode was an entertaining, if not original, tale, with some fine acting to make up for any hiccups in the writing. Moffat seemed more restrained here, perhaps because of the type of story he was writting. It may not have been a story that required the Doctor to make it work, but it was just refreshing to see an episode that wasn't overly clogged by the continuity-laden mess that has typified Moffat's time as full-time show-runner. And, it was nice to see a Christmas episode not set in England for a change, even if the 'traditional' alien invasion had to be maintained.   
I hope we see more stand-alone episodes next series.


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It was a (nearly) stand-alone episode, with only Nardole and the
(tiresome) reference to River serving as reminders of anything gone by.

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The aliens from Harmony Shoal were the same race as the Shoal of
the Winter Harmony seen in the last Christmas special.
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Posted: 26 December 2016 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | 9  

My mistake...but it shows just how the Christmas episodes have seemed to 'blend together' over the years. Last year's special was so overwhelmed by the 'River' stuff, and 'The comedy stylings of Matt Lucas', that the actual plot was easily forgotten!

As I mentioned to a friend after we'd both seen the episode, perhaps it was simply the change of scene that helped this episode stand out more...New York, but not 'alternate future New York overrun by Daleks'; Christmas episode, but not the usual 'BBC costume drama with snow and cobblestones and  'FC' and mulled wine and Victorian England regardless of planet or era', which became cliched over the last few years. And, Moffat draws on personal experience, but 'Americanizes' it, so that we don't have the 'anoraky' sort of character who has popped up before. Grant was not portrayed as an 'uber geek/nerd/dweeb'  stereotype,simply because he liked comics/SF. 
This was almost like 'Just Imagine Stan Lee Writing Doctor Who'.


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I loved it ! When I saw the pages of JB's Superman, I
was like ..eh... a kid opening his gifts on Christmans
morning!
I was so damn happy!
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Posted: 26 December 2016 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | 11  

...the Doctor has drawn glasses on Superman...

Brilliant! Nobody has EVER done THAT before!

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Posted: 26 December 2016 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | 12  

Brilliant! Nobody has EVER done THAT before!
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It was part of a bit. 

SPOILERS







The kid finds the Doctor reading one of his comics, and the Doctor proudly says, "I figured it out."  The kid says, "What?"  He says, "Clark Kent and Superman are the same person."  The kid says, "Everybody knows that."  The Doctor, taken aback says, "Well...Lois Lane doesn't know it.  And she's a reporter!"




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Given the dangling plot thread with one of the Harmony Shoal aliens
infiltrating UNIT and their loose connection with River Song (also hey,
Melody Pond/River Song vs Harmony Shoal... at least it wasn't
Cacophony Shoal), I wouldn't be surprised if we get one more River
episode.
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Posted: 27 December 2016 at 12:42am | IP Logged | 14  

I think in the Trenzalore episode they strongly implied AI-derivative "stored" River goes on to found or at least head the church of the silence which might also be related to Missy's afterlife (aka Earth's shoddy-ass low end bootleg knock off matrix).
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Posted: 27 December 2016 at 12:47am | IP Logged | 15  

Given the dangling plot thread with one of the Harmony Shoal aliens 
infiltrating UNIT
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When We saw the Body Snatcher infiltrate UNIT. I saw to my son that here was Moffat's not so subtle attempt at setting up season's 10's finale.

Russell T. Davies was quite good at planting seeds for his finales. Moffat unsuccessfully tries to do the same. 
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I hope the woman shown at the end previews is not the next companion. I didn't like her voice. Having Lucas as a companion (if that is what's going to happen) will be a pain as well. 
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Fun fact (well, for me) I own the original art of this page....
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I hope the woman shown at the end previews is not the next
companion. I didn't like her voice.

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That was Bill, the next companion.
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And Nardole will be returning. Bad luck Neil!
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Yay. 
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Watched a clip. So let me get this straight. A character called "The Ghost" shatters windows and has bullets bounce off him. Instead of, you know, passing thru the glass, and having the bullets pass thru him. Like a Ghost?

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It was fun, my wife thought it was her favorite of Capaldi's work so far. I liked Capaldi in this as well. 
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JB

Watched a clip. So let me get this straight. A character called "The Ghost" shatters windows and has bullets bounce off him. Instead of, you know, passing thru the glass, and having the bullets pass thru him. Like a Ghost?

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All the good superhero names were taken?

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Ghost was taken. Twice!! (Three if you count the Red one).
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Reminds me of the Superman character in Superfolks, who was named "Indigo." It seems the authors either ignored superhero naming convention, or defied it. 
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