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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 15 November 2016 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | 1  

Kara wasn't at her best last night. Letting him get close was a bad move, especially the second time. Then again, how many times has Superman made the same mistake and let the Parasite grab him?

As for J'Onn, it appeared he was dehydrated by the attack and thus... but I was surprised M'Gann could donate to him.

Kara really shouldn't try to make Mon-El (and how the heck did he come by that name as a Daxamite, when he was GIVEN that name by Kal-El?) into a hero. He either is or he isn't; her nagging won't make him something he is not ready or able to be.

The Maggie/Alex story was grim but heck, guys and girls get turned down because "you're just not in the same place I am right now"--and it can be a copout, to cover up a lack of interest, but who knows? But I do agree that Maggie was nudging Alex toward a life change without being there for her when she needed support. I'm expecting to see very little of Maggie going forward; Alex won't want to see her socially after this, which means she'll have a reduced presence on the show.
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OUTRAGE ITEM: Alex and Maggie - what the freaking hell?
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. F*CK. I knew girls like that from a while back...
we called them prick teases, although obviously that doesn't apply in
this case. Maggie makes the case that she likes Alex, that Alex should
come out to her family, and that things could be good. Alex goes
through these agonizing revelations with Supergirl (thanks to the writers
for making her accepting of this - as noted, feeling strange and new to
a situation) - and then Maggie BLUE BALLS Alex? "I will be your
friend..." Oh my God. That is entirely inappropriate, and has turned
Maggie Sawyer into a villain. Maybe one working for the police, but a
villain.


This is outrageously harsh. As heartbreaking as it was for Alex, Maggie
was right. They were in different places. My take was that Maggie IS
interested in Alex, and she knew that the surefire way to sabotage the
chance of having a real relationship is being Alex's FIRST EVER
girlfriend. Because then it becomes about the newness of Alex's
experiences, rather than two people being together.

It's like being the rebound guy. If you are genuinely interested in having
a lasting relationship with someone, you don't be the rebound guy. Wait
it out.


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I'm expecting to see very little of Maggie going forward; Alex
won't want to see her socially after this, which means she'll have a
reduced presence on the show.


Maggie is still the defacto NCPD liaison to the DEO, and she constantly
hangs out at the alien bar, so I think there will be increased
cringeworthy awkwardness.
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The reaction I've seen online from gay fans (especially women, at least from what I can tell) is that this depiction was absolutely realistic for the situations of people who come out at that stage in life.

Also: Come on, do you really think this is going to be the last word in this subplot?
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It's like the producers just read the cliff notes on Mon-El before deciding to include him on the show. 
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Michael Roberts: It may be outrageously harsh. But it is exactly what I took away from the episode. Maggie encouraged Alex to come out, and implied that she would be the one for Alex. All I needed was one line... "Alex, I may not be the one for you now... but you'll find somebody who's Ms. Right." Saying this while trying to persuade her to come out would have settled things very well. Instead, Maggie was being a tease about it, and it's hard to imagine she didn't KNOW what she was telling Alex. I stick with my analysis of Maggie. What a bitch.

Eric Kleefeld: I'll beg your pardon, but is it really the situation absolutely realistic? That gay people were prodded to come out by someone whom they found attractive - and who KNEW that they weren't going to date that person? Seems unnecessarily cruel to me.

I hardly think it's the last word on that subplot... but if Alex has a shred of dignity and self-respect, she will never be social with Maggie again. Purely professional, and minimal contact at most.
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Posted: 16 November 2016 at 10:06am | IP Logged | 6  

Am I the only one NOT enjoying this season?  It seems like a lot of the fun has been removed....  They've really piled it on this year with Mon-El, and Maggie, and the alien bar, and Cadmus, and, and and........  sheesh.
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It's been a busy season but I've liked it a lot.
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It's a CW show now, after being 'a CBS show that was pretty much a CW show.' So, they've piled on the typical ingredients of all 'DCCW' shows: Romance(Alex and Maggie); Bromance (Wynn and Mon-El), and 'Scary Bad People/Aliens Who Will Kill Us All'(every villain so far this season).
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It may be outrageously harsh. But it is exactly what I took away from
the episode. Maggie encouraged Alex to come out, and implied that
she would be the one for Alex. All I needed was one line... "Alex, I may
not be the one for you now... but you'll find somebody who's Ms. Right."
Saying this while trying to persuade her to come out would have settled
things very well. Instead, Maggie was being a tease about it, and it's
hard to imagine she didn't KNOW what she was telling Alex. I stick with
my analysis of Maggie. What a bitch.

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I've discussed with my female friends behavior that I, as a man,
perceived to be teasing or leading on, and in most cases it's a defense
mechanism to avoid aggression from the sorts of guys who would call
them "prick teases" and "bitches".

Anyway, encouraging Alex to come out should be all about Alex coming
to terms with herself, not a "you should come out so that we can be
together!" Watch the last two episodes again from Maggie's
perspective. Alex admits to Maggie last week that shje might be gay,
being unable to actually articulate the words "I'm gay", then runs off
before Maggie can really respond. The next time they see each other,
Alex asks for advice on how to deal with her newfound feelings, and
Maggie helpfully suggests that Alex tell her family and offers to be
around for a supportive drink after she does. After Alex comes out to
Kara, she sees Maggie again, grabs her and forcibly kisses her
(which would earn me a slap if I tried something like that), and forces
Maggie to confront Alex's feelings for her. Keep in mind during all of
this, Maggie is dealing with her own issues, still recovering from a bad
breakup.

Was it obvious that Alex was interested in Maggie? Sure. But it
would've been pretentious and presumptive (not to mention extremely
awkward) for Maggie to bring it up first, and she was right not to make
Alex's coming out about her. I don't see any place where Maggie was
behaving cruelly.
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Posted: 16 November 2016 at 11:24pm | IP Logged | 10  

I feel like they're cramming too many things in at once this season. "Mon-El" is Mon-El in name only. (And Mon-El isn't even the character's real name in the comics....) And I'm not even going to get started on what's going on with James.






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Posted: 17 November 2016 at 12:57am | IP Logged | 11  

Yeah, it's like they're starting to turn the show into another 'Legends of Tomorrow'-esque catch-all for heroes who can exist independent of the 'Arrow-Flash-Legends-verse.'
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Posted: 17 November 2016 at 8:23am | IP Logged | 12  

Michael Roberts - I saw Maggie not only encouraging Alex, but seeming, with physical signals, to imply that SHE would be interested in seeing Alex. It sure didn't seem to be a "let's just be friends" relationship from what I saw.

What I saw and what you can report in describing it are very different; there are a lot of visual clues, so describing what you saw to someone may not sufficiently describe what occurred. Or I may be misreading it entirely; I'm a straight man, not a gay woman, and while I've been teased that way once or twice, it's been a long time. I could be wrong here... I only know how I felt from what I heard and saw.

It does seem that each single hero CW show is trying to establish its own corral of heroes.
Supergirl - Superman, J'onn J'onzz, Ms. Martian, Mon-El, the Guardian, maybe the Red Tornado.
Flash - Kid Flash, Jesse Quick, Firestorm, Flash of Earth-2, Vibe, Magenta.
Arrow - their name is legion. Black Canary (x2!), Artemis, Huntress, Ragman, Wild Dog, Mr. Teriffic, Overwatch, Huntress, Speedy, Arsenal, the Atom, Vixen, Constantine, and probably a few I'm forgetting.

Even after a couple left for Legends of Tomorrow, each show seems to have plenty of super heroes left. I get that this can be a great bunch of characters from which to pull for every show. But when it comes time for a crossover... well, THAT'S gonna be a lot of pizza after shooting wraps.

Incidentally, I liked Supergirl from this season's start, but each episode seems a little weaker, and I'm hoping for a turnaround soon.


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I feel the same about SUPERGIRL right now. The first two episodes of
the season were pretty strong but subsequent ones, while enjoyable to
varying degrees, haven't been as good.
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It feels like 'Earthbound STAR TREK with superheroes'.
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Did something happen to Maxwell Lord that I missed? He was a pretty big heavy in the first season and hasn't even been mentioned this season. 


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Worst parasite ever. 
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Brandon Frye:

Did something happen to Maxwell Lord that I missed? He was a pretty big heavy in the first season and hasn't even been mentioned this season. 

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They couldn't line up Peter Facinelli again, so they went in a different direction?
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During last night's episode, Kara mentioned that Superman had worked with a costumed crimefighter, and well, I guess that's a nod to Batman, who must definitely be a part of this world.

"My cousin worked with a vigilante once, tons of gadgets, lots of demons. Vigilantes are nuts!"

So we get closer to seeing the Dark Knight on TV.

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Posted: 22 November 2016 at 11:02am | IP Logged | 19  

I wouldn't be too upset if Nightwing turned up at some point.
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Especially since, in one future anyway, he and Kara wind up together when she becomes governor of Florida. (Superman Family #200)

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Posted: 23 November 2016 at 8:34am | IP Logged | 21  

Nice throwaway Batman reference in this past ep, too.
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Posted: 23 November 2016 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | 22  

OK, the show is now fast tipping the line where the stupidity is overshadowing all the good. First the wasted Mon-El character and now the real Hank Henshaw as "Cyborg Superman" without actually being... you know, a cyborg Superman!
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For me, the stupidity was overwhelming from the outset when Kara's entire life's purpose was to be the little Kal-El's guardian and babysitter and they were sent in separate rockets into space, where she was drawn into the Phantom Zone, where she somehow was then responsible for pulling an entire prison out on her way through,  & depositing a thousand or so Supermen on Earth, none of whom did anything or revealed themselves in any way because their boss-lady told them not to and she was very, very scary. To violent men who've been in prison for years and now have godlike powers. That scary. 

Whatever. I look in on the show every now and then and get slapped across the face by whatever I'm seeing for doing so.


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Brian, she wasn't responsible for the prison getting free, it was the unexplained event that allowed her ship to get free that also freed the prison.
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Wasn't there some talk during those initial episodes about Kara feeling responsible for the prisoners being here on Earth? It has been awhile since I saw it. 

As I recall, the prison itself crash-landed nearby and somehow Superman found her tiny, one-person rocket and missed the entire gigantic prison structure ju-u-ust over the next hill... Nothing about those initial episodes aside from Melissa Benoit's performance held any attraction for me whatsoever. And I flat-out love the Superman mythos.

I love the character of Mon-El as well, and I'm not going anywhere near the episodes that have him in them. The entire thing seems oddly rooted in the Geoff Johns/ Jms. Robinson "New Krypton" storyline from 7-8 years back. That was abysmal.

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