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Bill Collins
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Yes,but in Logan,his healing factor is gone,so it would
make sense to protect his body with a costume! Youtube
Wolverine versus Predator,if they can make the costume
work on a limited budget,surely Mangold could have!
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Eric Sofer
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A super hero costume? On a man who is 230 years old whose every single bone* is covered in a nearly indestructible, incredibly rare metal and who can (could, anyhow) nearly instantly heal from any damage, and whose bones pop through his knuckles to act as claws that both stab and slice through anything?

A super hero costume? Don't be ridiculous! The genre would never survive it! (/sarcasm off.)

*Except his hair and nails. Was that ever addressed? Or did those just fall subject to the distinction? I'm fine either way... just wondering if it was ever addressed.
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@Steve....

If the world that 'Logan' inhabits isn't a world of superheroes....how did the public come to perceive he and the X-Men as such in that very same world?  I seem to recall comics and action figures being a part of the story in the Logan movie.  SOMEBODY involved with this movie sees them as superheroes.  A number of X-Men 'based' comics pages were created just for the movie and is part of the story itself.  Those kids stuck an action figure of Wolverine 'the superhero' on his grave.  Not Logan 'the dude in a jean jacket'.

The X-Men in the Fox Universe are superheroes without being called such.  They wear costumes and do the good deeds.  But they are made by people who don't really like superheroes.  Singer and Mangold aren't much different in that regard.

So I think you're giving Mangold way too much credit.  He's just another guy in charge of superheroes movies who doesn't like or understand superheroes.  It's not complicated or deep at all.   Both he and probably Jackman himself probably finds the idea of 'Logan' costume ridiculous. They want to be thought of as 'serious', 'grown-up' movie makers. Wearing the costume (from the comics) makes it silly kid stuff in their eyes.

Which is why it was never going to happen.





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Posted: 23 May 2017 at 1:06pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

 They wear costumes and do the good deeds.
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In which X-Men movie did Logan wear a costume and do good deeds?  A black leather jumpsuit, that he mocked, isn't a superhero uniform.
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Let's face it, when Mangold talks about Wolverine being the last person to dress up in special clothes in order to take credit for his actions, he is being being mealy-mouthed and disingenuous.

Because this is not street clothes:


And with a big X on his chest and an X belt buckle, it doesn't really seem to jibe with what Mangold is saying.

They aren't much cop, but clearly the X-Men have worn costumes in the various movies and have done good deeds (including Wolverine -- for example his willingness to sacrifice his life to save Rogue in the first film).
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The post marketing spin for ‘Logan’ is attempting to paint it as more mature and deeper than what Fox or the MCU has given us.  That’s why it’s getting rereleased in black and white in some markets.  So it can continue to cement the idea that it is somehow not only better than other superhero movies but that it transcends them.  It’s taking the attitude that propped up the Nolan Batman movies and cranked it up past 10.  Mangold is simply keeping the narrative of his so-called masterpiece alive by telling us how the costumes wouldn’t work in his deeply thought out drama.   This is his way of telling us he didn’t make a mere superhero movie.  He made ‘art'.

It's all bullshit of course....


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Superhero movies suck but if a director says he wants to make a better one, he sucks, too.  
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Regarding the Wolverine costume:

Can't a superhero wear a recognizable costume simply to show innocent bystanders that they are one of the good guys?



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Can't a superhero wear a recognizable costume simply to show innocent bystanders that they are one of the good guys?
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If you saw a person running down the street chasing someone dressed like that in our world, would you think they were one of the good guys, or crazy?

Again, in the Marvel Universe of the comics, superheroes are part of that world, and yes, a costume indicates you're one of the good guys.  But the world of the X-Men movies is not that world, or our world either.  Mangold didn't make the first X-Men movie.  He's making movies set in a world that's already been established, with characters that have already been established.  Blaming him for not using Wolverine's uniform is like blaming him for Hugh Jackman not looking like Logan in the comic.  He didn't cast him.  He didn't do the world building.

For a Superman movie to work, you have to not just get Superman's costume and look right, you have to get Metropolis right.  For Batman to work on screen, you have to get Gotham right on screen.  For the comics version of Wolverine to work on screen, you have to get his world right on screen, and that wasn't an option for Mangold.

If you're not a fan of the X-Men films, we agree.  I'm not either.  But Mangold's quote is recognizing the problem, its not the problem itself.

The only X-Men movie that I think was faithful (and not coincidentally, the one that worked best on screen) was Deadpool, and you'll notice, the world that movie took place in doesn't really match the rest of the X-Men movieverse.  Colossus looked completely different, and the movie completely ignored the first Wolverine movie.  Basically, it started from scratch and built Deadpool AND his world.
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If you saw a person running down the street chasing someone dressed like that in our world, would you think they were one of the good guys, or crazy?

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Important point being missed here -- by you and so many others.

Super powered beings, good or bad, do not live in "our world." Theylive in a fantasy environment that is close enough to our own that we can feel at home there, but is also a place where it is perfectly normal to don a colorful costume to fight crimes -- or commit them.

It's the most basic conceit of the form. Anyone who doesn't get that should steer well clear.

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Exactly, JB... seems many people, including James Mangold, miss that point. Where would superhero movies be if every director had THAT attitude???

Seems to me the "world of the X-Men movies" isn't very clear about what kind of world it wants to be... and for me, that's a big FAIL for Fox, no matter how much money they manage to bank.

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Steve De Young
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Super powered beings, good or bad, do not live in "our world." Theylive in a fantasy environment that is close enough to our own that we can feel at home there, but is also a place where it is perfectly normal to don a colorful costume to fight crimes -- or commit them.
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That's exactly the point I've been trying to make in this thread, JB.  I haven't missed it at all.

The world of the X-Men movies is not the world of the comics, and so what works in the comics won't work in the movies, because Singer and the producers have fouled up the world of the movies.
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Wolverine should never have full-length sleeves. Just doesn't look right. 
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