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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 2:26pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

My wife and I split the difference - we got absentee ballots and then I went yesterday to drop them at the polling place, the town hall.  In one sense, I'm glad I did that since I could bypass the line which wrapped halfway around the outside of the building and was a two hour wait (this is UNPRECEDENTED in my area).  But in the other sense, I'm so on edge about this election that I'm getting paranoid and superstitious about having made errors in my ballot and it getting rejected.

I also had a weird Proustian Rush as I walked past the hundreds of people waiting with their umbrellas on hand in case the cold, colorless sky decided to let loose: I still live in the town and county I grew up in, and most kids from here of my generation have a similar memory of waiting on a gray, drizzly Saturday (presuming May 28th) morning on a line that wrapped around the block from the Lafayette Theater in Suffern. Because it was the only theater in the county that was showing "Return of the Jedi".
The wait to vote at the Town Hall was exactly that. Same weather, same wait, same anticipation to watch the good guys defeat the Empire.


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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 2:42pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

The good Mrs. Sofer and I voted three weeks ago at our local board, on my way back from a podiatrist treatment. I'm in a wheelchair at times, but it couldn't have been easier and they were most helpful - maybe 20 minutes top.

And I intend to vote in every election.
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 2:49pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

 Leigh DJ Hunt wrote:
What's this about Kavanaugh saying postal votes shouldn't be counted if they arrive late? Is it normal and expected for late votes to still be counted?
In the delightful system we have, each state is free to set its own rules about the cutoff point for mailed-in ballots.  The rationale for allowing the counting of "late" ballots is that voters have no control over when a piece of mail is delivered.  Given the cutbacks to the US Postal Service and the unprecedentedly-large amount of mail-in ballots this year, it is possible someone might mail a ballot a week or more before election day but it might not arrive until after election day.  A lower-court judge in Wisconsin ruled that for this reason ballots arriving six days after election day in that state should still be counted, IF they were postmarked by election day.  The Supreme Court overruled this yesterday, a move that Kavanaugh made clear was blatantly political in nature in his write up of the decision, in which he expressed concern that late-arriving ballots might "flip" the results of the election.  As Elena Kagan pointed out in her dissent, this is a deceptive statement as there ARE no results to "flip" until all the votes have been counted.

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I believe that it comes down to post mark date.
Ideally, all ballots post-marked by election day should be counted.  That is the law in my state (Washington).  However, it's not the law in many other states, and the SCOTUS has shown that it has no interest in protecting voters' rights when state laws disenfranchise them. 

As I've said already, at this point I have no doubt Biden will receive enough votes to win the election.  I do unfortunately have serious doubts about whether all the votes he receives will be counted.  And this undercounting may well hand the election to Trump.  It's not an understatement to say the legitimacy of the US government is at a crossroads.




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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

It should be noted to our non-American friends on the board that every state has a completely different voting system in place - different tech, different rules, different schedule.  In New York, for example, we have paper ballots that are then scanned in (at least in my district).  And while the absentee ballots were available about six weeks ago, you can only drop them off in person during business hours, during the specific early voting days at the polling stations - which started this past Saturday and run through to this coming Sunday.  Or you can mail them in, but we opted to play it safe given how compromised and politicized the mailing voting is looking to be.

Needlessly complicated, but I can appreciate that they're dancing as fast as they can.


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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 3:11pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I've just been watching some Champions League football on a dodgy stream which happened to be NBC's coverage. In the ad break at half time I saw three pro-Trump ads and no pro-Biden ads. Each ad was utterly painful to watch - just total lies: Stop socialism - Trump allows you to vote and Biden wouldn't, that kind of thing. How can your country allow such blatant crap to exist? Whichever amendment allows the free speech thing didn't take into account all this did it?
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

It's our First Amendment Leigh. It specifically notes that the government may not prevent anyone from exercising free speech - and that includes TV commercials.

It's a price of our freedom. I for one will suffer it gladly - because the alternative is a dictator's tool (and one that Trump would gladly seize against someone else.)
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Leigh DJ Hunt
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 3:22pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

So, in relation to the plot to kidnap Whitner, he's just said 

“Hey, hey, hey, hey, I’m the one, it was our people that helped her out with her problem,” Trump added. “And we’ll wait to see if it is a problem, right? People are entitled to say, ‘Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t.’”

“It was our people, my people, our people, that helped her out. And then she blamed me for it,”


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Marc Baptiste
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 4:52pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Leigh,

The alternative is one side in power (think, oh, let's say for fun... a TRUMP administration!!) fining, jailing (or worse) the other side for the messages they don't "like".  I'll keep our First Amendment, imperfections and all.

Marc


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Brian Miller
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 5:08pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Thanks go out to
Reno
wned Scientist Ivanka Trump
for declaring the Covid-19
pandemic is officially over.

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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Two words team: Space Navy
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 6:26pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I wouldn't trust Ivanka Trump if she were moaning mid-coitus. (Of course, with Jared Kushner, that might be somewhat easier.)

She seems, in fact, to be a renowned dingbat. I can't recall much she has said that mattered or made sense, or both. Like father, like fantasy-lover, I guess.
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 9:38pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I wouldn't trust Ivanka Trump if she were moaning mid-coitus.

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