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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 13 June 2018 at 7:24pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

(Fox News political anchor) Bret Baier: Kim Jong Un is "clearly executing people."

Trump: "He's a tough guy. Hey, when you take over a country, tough country, tough people, and you take it over from your father ... if you could do that at 27-years old, I mean, that's 1 in 10,000 that could do that."

This is insane!! Has he ever met a dictator he didnít admire?? 

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People saying there is anti-Trump bias here when compared to Obama & Iran.

I donít recall Obama declaring Iran no longer being a nuclear threat after a 38 minute closed meeting. Nor do I recall Obama showering Iranís leader with praise of the ilk that Trump is showing.

Trump seems incapable of empathising with human suffering. For him, leadership is key. The end result is key. The methods used, the people destroyed, literally destroyed, in the process are irrelevant.

You run a tight country? Perfect
Whatís that? People are kept in line by secret police, false imprisonment, torture & murder? Well, itís a tough regime, but look @ the results.

If you arenít scared that this is how he thinks, I really do think you need to re-evaluate your compass.
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I was talking about initial "talks" not what came from them, no one knows where the NK situation will end up, I thought that was obvious. Also commenting about CNN pointing out "the exact same things", but good on you for missing the point. I never implied I did not have bias, but I am open to listening and debate.

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For me to miss the point, you have to have one. ďThe same people who praise Obama for talks with Iran, degrade Trump for talks with KoreaĒ is an oversimplified take on things. The criticism directed at Trump is not for trying to gain a resolution with North Korea, but the chaotic way he has been going about it.
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Posted: 14 June 2018 at 5:36am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

 Michael Sommerville wrote:
Welcome to the age of news organizations and politics. The same people who praise Obama for talks with Iran, degrade Trump for talks with Korea.


I have to ask - do you pay attention to the substance of reports or do you stop at "tone?" The concerns raised about Trump's talks with Korea are that he didn't seem interested in learning the playing field and the stakes before he went, he's overselling the results of the meeting ("North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat! Sleep well, America!") and him being a little too complimentary of the leadership style of a dictator. None of these apply to Obama's dealings with Iran.

To show bias, you need a situation where Obama has done the same thing as Trump in the same way but got a different reaction. Saying more negative things about a person who does more negative things isn't "bias;" it's being truthful.
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Exactly right.  Let's take an example that is actually 1:1.  When Obama floated the idea of sitting down with dictators and working out disagreements, he was pilloried for it.  FOX News constantly berated him for wanting to negotiate with terrorists, dictators, people who will murder their own family for power.  Trump decides he wants to talk with North Korea and, I'm not making this up, one FOX News pundit wonders "if he will stop in Oslo to pick up his Nobel Prize" on his way to Singapore.  

Same topic.  Two different presidents.  Two decidedly different reactions from the same "news" organization.  Try not to get physically ill watching this video:  Link
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Posted: 14 June 2018 at 7:46am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I completely agree. There is absolutely no comparison to the negotiations, global investment and rigor behind the Iran nuclear deal and the North Korean nuclear giveaway. There is nothing prejudice about the anger for shoddy and sparse negotiations with off the cuff diplomacy. Let's face it, he is once again doing the bidding of his Russian master.

The news reporting on the last two President's stances on meeting and negotiations with dictators is the "age of news organizations and politics" you are referring to, Michael.
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Posted: 14 June 2018 at 8:13am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I've seen that video, Matt.... it's perhaps the BEST PROOF of where one can find FAKE NEWS.

The very height of hypocrisy. It should run on repeat during the elections.

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Posted: 14 June 2018 at 10:40am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Poor Trump, I guess he'll just have to start locking up those biggest enemies of the people, the very mean and so unfair free press asking the great man such rude questions all the time. Better start a Trump approved newspaper titled 'Truth' so we know it's legit, believe me, that I can tell you.

Oh yeah, comrade Vladimir is loving this. Watch the Chinese lift sanctions now based on this half paragraph of 'hard work' the two uniquely talented beloved leaders 'accomplished' in Singapore. So very historic, big league, not like anyone else could do, ungrateful people were begging for this, so another promised delivered!

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So much hypocrisy out there!

A Tory politician over here was on the news recently. The newsreader shared a quote or two (I think it pertained to Syria). The Tory politician dismissed the words - and then the newsreader revealed it was from a politician within the man's OWN party! The Tory then seemed to backtrack.

Which proves, similar to what we are discussing here, that bias is a thing. As Matt's example shows.
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Right now Trump and supporters like Issa would have you believe that because Comey while at the FBI has been found to have mishandled, to her detriment, the investigation of Hilary Clinton using a private server and what emails 'could have been' hacked because of that (but weren't) or were not in among Weiner's email files, that this fatally compromises an investigation into Trump campaign contacts and collusion with Russian agents. Also that a couple emails of FBI agents commenting somewhat dismissively on Trump coming to power is showing bias against Trump even though the much stronger case for bias was that Comey was pressured politically to investigate and reopen the closed investigation, into Clinton's emails, the ones that there is no evidence were hacked, just merely could have been... and again, two of the main emails of interest were about her setting a time for a phone call with someone which ceased to no longer be sensitive information after the calls were made.

In short that because they/Comey made mistakes that harmed Hillary Clinton, they/the FBI now without Comey are not fit to investigate Trump. That the FBI from two members carelessly expressing opinions about Trump being able to get elected means they could be biased against him like they were just exonerated from being biased against Hillary. Make sense? Is twisted logic is still logic? No, not in any meaningful way, not unless you want to concede that a stuffed toy bear is still a 'kind of' a bear. This is just desperate possibly scared people trying to confuse as much as possible and discredit the FBI for their own self-preservation. Using a bias against the Democrats and Clinton which was not found to exist to somehow 'prove' a bias against Trump. If you buy that perhaps you'd like to sign up for a great course on insider real estate tricks with many levels of buy-in depending on your finances. :^)

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Posted: 14 June 2018 at 4:33pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I'm starting to see the memes

Justice Department's Office of Inspecton General
Report

FBI Attorney: "The crazies won finally. This is the
tea party on steroids. And the GOP is going to be
lost, they have to deal with an incumbent in 4 years.
We have to fight this again. Also Pence is stupid."

FBI EMPLOYEE: "Trump supporters are all poor to middle
class, uneducated, lazy POS that think he will
magically grant them jobs for doing nothing."


And some headlines:

Mueller attorney removed over anti-trump texts

Agents regularly received free handouts from
journalsists

FBI orders bias training

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Rebecca Jansen
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Posted: 14 June 2018 at 4:56pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Peter Strzok and Lisa Page were the two that expressed alarm or credulity at the possibility of Trump becoming president in their private communications with each other, like many millions of other Americans. "Lock them up"? Why not lock all the millions of them up? And of course fire any Judges that don't show proper support for the new president (or have Mexican ancestry) as they are biased.

You are quoting Amanda House (Breitbart) and Jack Probiec (Citizens For Trump) quoting others on Twitter.


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"Lock them up" is the exact opposite of what I would
want. It just brings into question what they overlook
and what they focus on. I'm too in the dark to make that
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Dave Phelps
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Posted: 15 June 2018 at 5:58am | IP Logged | 14 post reply

It's reasonable to ask if someone demonstrated inappropriate bias in their handling of a situation.

The problem is when it becomes a matter of completely refusing to accept that wasn't any indication that occurred, especially if you ham it up for political purposes.

"I'm calling for a new investigation."

"But three independent and thorough investigations, including one run by your own committee, have already concluded nothing improper occurred."

"We just need to get to the bottom of this. If they did nothing wrong, they shouldn't have a problem with that."

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How about this tack:
They did nothing wrong and had no problem with the three independent investigations already completed. However, a fourth investigation appears to be a search for evidence in support a conclusion already reached. How much more bottom is there to get down to?

At this point several people have gone through the thousands of texts these two sent to one another and found nothing. Their performance on the job was not compromised, but they he was let go and she was already gone after the affair was made public. Be prepared for the GOP to seize on anything that can be stretched and manipulated into a narrative to support the witch hunt chant.


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"I don't understand why you don't have a problem with a federal investigation possibly being run improperly by biased personnel and why you would want to deprive the American people of the answers they deserve."
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"The American people do deserve answers. Are you telling me that the first three investigations were done improperly and therefore we need a fourth? The American people deserve for their politicians to get things done right the first time or at least within the three strike rule, don't they? Otherwise, we as politicians seem inept or willfully running the cost up or heaven forbid, looking for something that doesn't exist. Which is it?"

** read this in a southern accent ** =)


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"I don't understand why you don't have a problem with a federal investigation possibly being run improperly by biased personnel and why you would want to deprive the American people of the answers they deserve."

(Lather, rinse, repeat.)
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Posted: 15 June 2018 at 11:10am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Dave, it is sad we know the song and dance so well. The lunacy is predictable. I did see the US has announced tarrifs against China, the NYSE is down triple digits and the US is pulling out of the UN Human Rights council. Just an average news day I suppose.
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Looks like a judge has decided Paul Manafort will await trial in jail. That is kind of interesting.
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you can only dick around with witnesses so much before you piss off the judge.
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Took long enough. I'm just wondering if the promised pardon power will start getting used again soon. :^(

Oh look, another undisclosed Russian oligarch banned from entering the U.S., and communicating with witnesses about their testimony, Russian tv is covering it, but that's okay, the big guy will pardon us all. Nothing to see here folks, completely exonerated, now let's investigate that crooked Hillary with the lust for power in her eyes yet again!
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