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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 April 2017 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | 1
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GOP are about to "blow up" Senate rules to confirm Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Neil Grouch... it’s about to get ugly.
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Eric Doyle Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 April 2017 at 6:58am | IP Logged | 2
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GOP are about to "blow up" Senate rules to confirm Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Neil Grouch... it’s about to get ugly. ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ To be fair, this rule was under Democratic majority, it's their rule. GOP is just utilizing it for the same reason Democrats devised it.
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 April 2017 at 7:38am | IP Logged | 3
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Seems to me, there's NOTHING fair about this Supreme Court appointment.
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Kevin Brown Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 April 2017 at 8:38am | IP Logged | 4
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The LA Times is completely eviscerating Trump: LINK
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 April 2017 at 10:20am | IP Logged | 5
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Don't disagree with anything in that article -- well written, but Trump has been infuriatingly resistant to valid criticism. What would have scuppered other candidates in previous elections just seemed to deflect off him.
To slightly paraphrase the article: he has undermined the very idea of objective truth. The worry is that because politics has become so polarised, his supporters just won't listen to the objective truth.
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 April 2017 at 11:14am | IP Logged | 6
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If THAT'S what we've come to, this is perhaps the lowest point in U.S. politics.
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 April 2017 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | 7
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Trump was speaking today at the Building Trade Union's National Legislative Conference and he said that for decades now we've see "our jobs being stolen".
Here's the data for the last decade:
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Eric Doyle Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 April 2017 at 2:03pm | IP Logged | 8
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The worry is that because politics has become so polarized, his supporters just won't listen to the objective truth. ------------------------------------------------------------ -- I think this is true of both sides, surely could be said of Hillary supporters.
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 April 2017 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | 9
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I think this is true of both sides, surely could be said of Hillary supporters. --------------------- I'm from the UK so probably don't count. But I do think she did herself grave harm by saying she couldn't recall 37 times when questioned about her servers.
But that pales into insignificance when compared to what idiot boy is doing
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Jeremy Simington Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 April 2017 at 3:40pm | IP Logged | 10
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ERIC DOYLE: To be fair, this rule was under Democratic majority, it's their rule. GOP is just utilizing it for the same reason Democrats devised it.
I disagree. The Democrats used a long-existing Senate procedure to change the rules of the Senate in 2013 to allow a simple majority vote for all executive branch nominees and judicial nominees other than the Supreme Court. They did not create or devise the procedure that allowed the rule change. Yes, changing the rule was a short-sighted move that probably shouldn't have happened. However, the Republicans had been blocking so many of Obama's initiatives simply out of partisan spite that it's understandable why the Democrats acted out by changing the rule. McConnell himself said from Day 1 of Obama's first administration that the GOP would do everything they could to ensure it was a one-term presidency. Notice no mention there of serving the American people's interests or our country's.
The GOP is now using the same Senate procedure to change the rule for Supreme Court nominees. Note that this is similar to the rule change that Dems made but with the incredibly important difference that it applies to SCOTUS justices who have lifetime appointments. Also worth noting is why this is happening. The GOP blocked even the nomination of Merrick Garland by Obama with 10 months to go in Obama's presidency, again out of partisan spite. That's unprecedented. Then Trump gets elected and nominates a guy who is, according to multiple legal scholars, more conservative than Scalia and was suggested to Trump by an ultra-right wing political action group. And now, the GOP puts on their fake surprise act because more than 40% of the Senate doesn't think Gorsuch is a good choice for America and is also a little pissed off that Obama's right to nominate a justice (who was a moderate, by the way) was stolen.
The good news here is that the GOP Senators, buffoons that they are, will learn nothing from the Democrats' mistake and will certainly use the nuclear option to change the rule, gleefully thinking that they'll never again be in the minority. And one day the Democrats will have the opportunity to put justices on the Supreme Court who will be so far left they will make Ruth Bader Ginsburg look like Clarence Thomas. And I will laugh and laugh and laugh.
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Eric Doyle Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 April 2017 at 6:56pm | IP Logged | 11
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However, the Republicans had been blocking so many of Obama's initiatives simply out of partisan spite --------------------------------------------------------- How many Bills sat on Harry Reid's desk, why would he not bring up a vote on Obama care, same partisan spite?
McConnell himself said from Day 1 of Obama's first administration that the GOP would do everything they could to ensure it was a one-term presidency. ---------------------------------------------------------- And now Democrats are saying Trump shouldn't finish his first term. Any politician is looking for their guy to be in office, it gets their initiatives passed easier typically, serving their constituents.
And now, the GOP puts on their fake surprise act because more than 40% of the Senate doesn't think Gorsuch is a good choice for America and is also a little pissed off that Obama's right to nominate a justice (who was a moderate, by the way) was stolen. ------------------------------------------------------------ 40% is a minority. When Obama's choice was up the GOP had a majority. They took a foolish gamble and delayed the vote, but it ended up to work. If Democrats were in power, would they have done the same thing?
And I will laugh and laugh and laugh. --------------------------------------------------------- Like the GOP is now? Look, the Democrats have been diminished on a national level, they lost the WH, minority in Congress, the House and most Governorship's. Both parties have to strip their parties of the extremist and find common ground. If this continues on as a team sport, no one really wins.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 April 2017 at 7:07pm | IP Logged | 12
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Both parties have to strip their parties of the extremist and find common ground. If this continues on as a team sport, no one really wins.
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Clinton was the Centrist candidate in the last election. The lesson learned by the Democrats is that they needed to embrace the more leftist Bernie wing of the party. The failure of the AHCA vote taught the Republicans that despite holding the White House and Congress, they still need to appease the Freedom Caucus to get anything done.
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