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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 24 June 2018 at 10:15am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Not to entirely discount real trauma as I'm sure there is some

Some? What kind of stupid fuckery is this? Can you just stop? I'm an adult, and I still vividly remember the times I was lost in the mall. I still remember sobbing my eyes out for hours when my sister was born, because my parents dragged me out of bed and dropped me off at a friend's house without really explaining why my mom needed to be taken to the hospital. Certainly, I was able to overcome the trauma, but equivocating over whether young children are traumatized by being stripped away by strangers in a foreign country is fucking stupid. The answer is yes, it's traumatic.

They were being manipulated, playing Mr. Trump's game. Sessions and Trump are proven 'right' in that people are having second thoughts about trying to come to the U.S. because of that screaming child media frenzy reaching saturation level everywhere. You helped Trump/Miller/Sessions etc.

No, what helps Trump are voices like yours that suggest that outrage over children being separated from their parents is out of order. It's not. This "rational", "middle-ground" attitude is harmful. It's voices like yours that are recentering norms so that the middle ground lies between Nazis and anti-racists. That's not the middle.

A lot of kids who came with adults have been separated for a lot of different reasons after entering the U.S. Some were crossing illegally, some making straight forward refugee claims, some of the adults were involved in smuggling (as in they are paid to get someone or something into the U.S.) and perhaps thought a child would act as some kind of shield for how they'd be treated. Stuff about pure innocence and pure evil is simple-minded.

Whatever the reason, whatever responsibility the parents hold, traumatizing children as a matter of policy is wrong. Suggesting that people are being manipulated into outrage doesn't make it less wrong. Suggesting that media attention to the story plays into Trump's hand doesn't make it less wrong. There are lots of shades of gray with regard to how we should handle immigration. This is not one of them.

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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 24 June 2018 at 10:46am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

If it's a distraction from anything it's been from Cohen and all these Russian connections we are still finding out about, and his upcoming meeting with Putin that should definitely not be happening while long-standing trade important to millions of people is verging on fubar.


See, I'm able to express my outrage toward Trumpís cruel immigration policy AND also pay attention to Cohen's potential flip, the Russian probe, the Trump-Putin summit, etc. It's what well-informed people do. No distraction to me.

Most importantly, I'll do what I can during the Mid-Term election and encourage 'the pendulum to swing the other way'!

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Rebecca Jansen
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Posted: 24 June 2018 at 11:06am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I stand by that this has been very successfully exaggerated and milked by the media and Trump. In some places there have been crowds of opposing forces in the streets provoked into reactionism by out of context edited bits of material on both sides repeated ad nauseum. Wasn't it Hillary that said 'angry is not a plan'???

I hope things stabilize and get done rather than adding to the chaos, and hysterics and name-calling and plain old stunts are a load of junk to me. I'm glad to see there are some Republicans doing their job properly in spite of the idiot in chief right now, and I'm glad to see some reporters are actually doing informational reports on the situation over let's run this clip again for those who may not have seen/heard it and then to talk about that tiny glimpse we are joined by some biased talking-head characters.
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