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Monte Brown
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David Spurlock wrote:
"Getting back to my point, none of this makes any sense. KyloCrybabySolo can't be more than say 30 years old at his oldest possible age. So, when did he turn and how long has Luke been in self exile? TFA makes it seem like it's been years since Luke went into hiding but that doesn't make sense unless KyloCrybabySolo had turned evil as a young lad."

The Jedi Academy Massacre happened precisely six years before the start of The Force Awakens.  That was around the time Ben found out Darth Vader was his grandfather.   And Snoke has been preying on the younger Solo since he was a baby.  To be more precise Snoke began trying to corrupt Ben the moment he was in Leia's womb.

Source:  Star Wars: Bloodline and Aftermath: Empire's End, both of which are canon.


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It all makes sense! Presumably all that canon stuff came out before the film, so that we can't say it's a post-rationalisation,
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Well all the sources I listed came out after TFA's release.  I'm sure it was written to fill in whatever the movie didn't out and out say.  And give more clues the to upcoming sequel(s).

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So, Snoke may be, presumably, someone Leia, Han and the gang already know. 
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So, Snoke may be, presumably, someone Leia, Han and the gang already know.

Probably Leia's kid from a previous marriage.

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Luke and Leia's secret incest child!
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Luke and Leia's secret incest child!

That would explain a lot.
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The Jedi Academy Massacre happened precisely six years before the start of The Force Awakens.
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So, according to the new canon, Luke went into self-exile six years ago and thus became a myth to the rest of the galaxy? Really? Talk about making it up as you go along...
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Posted: 05 March 2017 at 8:19pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

STAR WARS has struggled with its own timeline for a long, er, time. When Lucas started asking us to believe the fall of the republic and the rise of the empire happened in Luke's lifetime, and yet the Force had become legend.... Nah. These toys are no fun to play with anymore.
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Nothing, nothing produced since Star Wars has backed up the image in Star Wars that the force had passed in to legend. That Jedi are all but forgotten.

It has reached the absolute nadir now with Rebels. In that show you have multiple Jedi/force users running around, openly using the force and lightsabres all over the place, in front of all kinds of people, especially the Empire.

Tarkin must have been really ill informed to make the statement he did in Star Wars and Han, who is portrayed as the type of character that knows what's what, has no clue of what happened when he 18 years old - despite a massive galactic war, involving Jedi/clones and who knows what else taking place at the same time. The guy is now a backwater, village idiot
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That "myth" thing was problematic from the get go.  Had the Jedi been a Secret Order that defended the galaxy, it would be easier to swallow, but as they were sort of the Cops Of The Galaxy, and they have instantaneous FTL communication, it becomes hard to believe that everyone wouldn't know who they are.

I've noted before that GL's iterative writing process has bit the narrative more than once, and this may be another instance.  It's like he was trying to explain why not everyone  could use The Force, but he couldn't decide if it should be "secret knowledge" or if it was inheritable.  In the case of the Sith, he opted for both.

BTW, I don't think that all the connections between the characters are in any way "making it up as they go," --far from it.  Disney seems to be adopting an "everything is connected" approach that they are using in the MCU.  How well that plays depends on how well the individual stories are written, but they're definitely connecting dots.  E.g., in the (canon) SW Rebels, they've already put the Darksaber from Clone Wars into the Mandalorian character Sabine's hand--the exact weapon that Maul used to kill Mandalorian Duchess Satine (Kenobi's gf).  That connects The Ancient Jedi, Maul, Kenobi, and Satine directly to Sabine.

It seems the fans are more interested in Text than Subtext anyway, so Disney's giving them plenty of Text.  For many fans, being steeped in the lore is half the fun.

I was having a SW "fan" conversation with someone at work recently, and a female co-worker who was listening came up and said, "if you put that much effort into understanding a woman, she'd feel like a queen!"

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Posted: 06 March 2017 at 5:24pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I disagree Conrad. The myth only really becomes a problem once the span of time is significantly altered - into living memory.

Has it been around 100 years, it would stack up better. But then again, maybe you are right as if that was the case, how could Kenobi have served Leia's father in the Clone Wars. Hmmm
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