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John Byrne
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Posted: 29 January 2017 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

A date on that sheet would mean nothing, really, since it could have been written at any time. All depends on which part of the myth-building was being supported.
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Posted: 29 January 2017 at 2:51pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

But with Star Wars listed as episode 6 -- and being called Star Wars and not A New Hope-- presumably it does come from before The Empire Strikes Back.
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Isn't that image of the hand-written page in the Rinzler book and isn't it dated there?  It's been a while since I read the first one though.


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Posted: 30 January 2017 at 1:49am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

The image is in Rinzler's THE MAKING OF THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, which describes it as undated, but from "very early".
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Ahhh, knew I had seen it in there somewhere. 

Do you happen to know if there will be a new version of Secret History of Star Wars now that all three Rinzler books are out?

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A few years back, Michael Kaminski was talking about releasing a revised and updated version of SECRET HISTORY, but it hasn't happened. The supplemental website was down for quite awhile, too, but I believe it's back up, as is www.savestarwars.com. There hasn't been much activity on SECRET HISTORY's Facebook page, either. Michael's mostly been active on his YouTube channel, STAR WARS NEWS AND VIEWS, which is a good source for info, rumors, and discussion on the latest goings-on with the new films.

I'll drop him a line, and see what I can find out.
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Interview with Rian Johnson in Empire magazine:    http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/rian-johnson-las t-jedi-interview/

On the idioms point, I expect he'd be ace at cooking up his own, if Brick is any indication.
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There has been some speculation as to whether the title
refers to Jedi as singular or plural. According to the
title being released in foreign languages, the title
refers to Jedi as plural.
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So the international titles for THE LAST JEDI are out, and they are all
using the plural form.
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It occurred to me the other day that there's no reason to believe that
Luke didn't have a school of Jedi on the planet where he was waiting
for Rey.
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He already had a school. He was training Kylo Solo and others when Ben Ren turned evil.
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Just a guess, but I agree with Brian. TFA kinda put into
the audience's heads that Luke had a school, Ben Solo
turned, created the Knights of Ren and slaughtered all of
the potential Jedi. If this was enough to cause Luke to go
into hiding, I have to believe that he doesn't want any
part of this anymore. So, starting another school sounds a
little off.

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Killing student Jedi! Where DO they get these ideas?
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There is currently two fan theories sweeping the Internet
concerning Benicio Del Toro's character right now. But as
fan theories may or may not wind up being spoiler
information, I don't want to post here, without approval.
But one of them is pretty interesting, and if so inclined
to this kind of speculation, some of you might want to
check out.
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Killing student Jedi! Where DO they get these ideas?
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There's a certain irony in that Lucas has been been mocked (particularly his quote, "It's like poetry; they rhyme", as popularized by RedLetterMedia) for riffing on and/or inverting specific bits from the original trilogy in the prequels, and yet the Disney films are getting a free pass for blatantly repeating and regurgitating plot points from the original films. Sigh.
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TFA kinda put into
the audience's heads that Luke had a school, Ben Solo
turned, created the Knights of Ren and slaughtered all of
the potential Jedi.

*******

I never read into it that Kylo Ben killed all the others and I certainly didn't come out of it thinking he created the Knights of Ren. I thought that had been around for a while and he merely joined.

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Speculating about STAR WARS is as useless as wondering what Jesus ate for breakfast on the day of the Last Supper. Since the whole thing is fictional, and Lucas established with the second released film that he had no qualms about overturning his applecart on a whim -- an attitude Disney seems to have embraced -- there are no real grounds for guesswork. If it is decided that Rey is Ben's mother, so it shall be.

And of course I mean Ben Kenobi!

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This just brings up all of the stewing hatred I have for TFA. So, all we are given in TFA about Luke is that he was training new Jedi when a student went evil and wiped out the rest of the students. Of course, all of this implies that it was KyloCrybabySolo that turned and slaughtered the Jedi and we are left with the assumption that Luke couldn't bring himself to kill his nephew. Another of many fatal flaws that plagues this "story" is the fact that we don't have any clue as to when all of this occurred. Was Luke just sitting around for a few years and all of a sudden decides to start training new Jedi? Or was he searching through the galaxy for years seeking out potential new Jedi? We don't know because now Luke is the big mystery. Crap! Utter Crap! Just like this map of uncharted territory that leads to Luke. This ain't Star Trek, this is Star Wars. Where has there ever been any indication that the whole galaxy is not readily accessible and there are unknown species or undiscovered planets? I think that's why in the old EU books they had a new antagonist come from another galaxy.

Getting back to my point, none of this makes any sense. KyloCrybabySolo can't be more than say 30 years old at his oldest possible age. So, when did he turn and how long has Luke been in self exile? TFA makes it seem like it's been years since Luke went into hiding but that doesn't make sense unless KyloCrybabySolo had turned evil as a young lad. I just feel a bit sorry for Rian Johnson for having to try and explain all of this nonsense he was left with from Jar Jar Abrams.

*edited because I can't type for spit!


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Been seeing "Jar Jar Abrams" used all over the interweb.

SO wish I could convince myself I was the one who coined it!!

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You were certainly the first I saw to use it
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Saw this online the other day, thought it was pretty funny.
And accurate.
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So, too, with STAR WARS. Watch the films in the order of their release, and one finds oneself repeatedly asking "but, if...". Watch them according to their internal timeline and see "A New Hope" irrevocably expunged.

And the beat goes on: THE FORCE AWAKENS made ROGUE ONE pointless a year before the latter came out. At once, it erases not only the "happy ending" that ROTJ gave us (after ESB did same to STAR WARS), but also ultimately renders moot the sacrifices made by those who stole the Death Star plans.

Two Death Stars and one SUPER Death Star later, and we're still fighting those star wars in the shadow of Vader and the empire.


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David Spurlock wrote:
"Getting back to my point, none of this makes any sense. KyloCrybabySolo can't be more than say 30 years old at his oldest possible age. So, when did he turn and how long has Luke been in self exile? TFA makes it seem like it's been years since Luke went into hiding but that doesn't make sense unless KyloCrybabySolo had turned evil as a young lad."

The Jedi Academy Massacre happened precisely six years before the start of The Force Awakens.  That was around the time Ben found out Darth Vader was his grandfather.   And Snoke has been preying on the younger Solo since he was a baby.  To be more precise Snoke began trying to corrupt Ben the moment he was in Leia's womb.

Source:  Star Wars: Bloodline and Aftermath: Empire's End, both of which are canon.


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It all makes sense! Presumably all that canon stuff came out before the film, so that we can't say it's a post-rationalisation,
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Well all the sources I listed came out after TFA's release.  I'm sure it was written to fill in whatever the movie didn't out and out say.  And give more clues the to upcoming sequel(s).

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